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Apr 10, 2020 15:36:29 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Apr 10, 2020 15:36:29 GMT -8
There are 5 seasons of Bosch on Amazon Prime. Season 6 begins next Friday. This is one of the rare TV shows that has done well with the passage of time. Just a little drift to boiler-plate plot gimmicks. I hope that season six has less of the whiney daughter. It is interesting to me that two of the stars from The Wire, Jamie Hector and Lance Roddick are doing so well.
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Apr 10, 2020 20:41:20 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 10, 2020 20:41:20 GMT -8
Maybe I'll drift back into that and check it out.
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Apr 11, 2020 7:08:56 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 11, 2020 7:08:56 GMT -8
I think I’ve read about 2/3 to 3/4 of the Bosch novels and all the Lincoln Lawyer ones. I started “Trunk Music” a few weeks back and just ran out of time at the online lending library and interest. It was really going pretty good. They find a dead guy in the trunk of a car parked opposite the Hollywood Bowl. The victim is a shady film producer. It looks like his production company is basically a money laundering operation where he takes a percentage from whomever wants the laundering done. Then the trail leads Bosch to Vegas. And it’s still pretty interesting. And then he runs into videotape that he reviews at the casino (he’s following the last movements of the guy who got murdered) and he sees an old flame of Bosch’s sitting at the same table as the guy who got murdered and they are talking to each other. Again, okay so far. And then Bosch seems to jump completely out of character as he renews his love affair with this dame even though she very possibly could be connected to the case. Later Bosch all but tampers with evidence to try to keep her out of the local investigation that is also looking into peripheral issues surrounding the guy who was found in the trunk. The book just seemed to step out of character for Bosch. Maybe I’ll pick it up again later. I started one of the books where Connolly has a chick detective (Renée Ballard) as the lead. I tried to stay with the first book in this series, “The Late Show,” but it (and she) were devoid of personality and interest. That one I will not likely be returning to. Michael Connelly Books in OrderOf all the Bosch books, the one that sticks in my brain most is “The Crossing” where Bosch temporarily goes to work on the defense side of things with his brother-in-law, Mickey Haller. If anyone wanted a good taste of Bosch, you could do worse than that although you’d lack some of the context of Bosch as the hard-nosed, I-hate-defense-lawyers detective.
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Apr 11, 2020 8:19:02 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 11, 2020 8:19:02 GMT -8
Over the past couple of weeks, I have read four Connelly books.
The Wrong Side of Goodbye
Two Kinds of Truth
The Gods of Guilt
Dark Sacred Night
The first two are Bosch books. The third is a Haller novel and the last is a Renee Ballard book. The Bosch novels are the more interesting of the group.
I have also read;
The Concrete Blond
The Brass Verdict
The Black Echo
The Black Ice
In addition to Connelly, I have recently read a number of Lee Child's Jack Reacher novels. I was thinking of writing a comparison of the two writers and their characters, but I don't believe there is that much to say.
I think Connelly is the better writer and find his characters more believable that Reacher. Both Connelly and Child are formula writers. The thing I find most irritating about both writers is the way they build up their protagonists as very intelligent and resourceful. Yet somehow these geniuses always manage to do something incredibly stupid about two thirds of the way through the book, which causes things to go wrong. The book is then extended until the heroes can put things back in order.
Both authors appear to have become more PC in their later novels. Yuk.
I don't believe either writer is a patch on H. Rider Haggard.
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Apr 11, 2020 8:26:27 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Apr 11, 2020 8:26:27 GMT -8
Michael Connelly spent a lot of time with cops in LA. His familiarity with who, what, where, why and how police work shows up in the novels. It is what makes Bosch a believable character. Lee Child, on the other hand, clearly has little idea how agents, secret and otherwise operate and the Jack Reacher character is just a reprise of James Bond with an attitude.
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Apr 11, 2020 9:01:08 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 11, 2020 9:01:08 GMT -8
I should have said “half brother” instead of brother-in-law regarding Bosch and Mickey Haller, right?
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Apr 11, 2020 9:06:03 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 11, 2020 9:06:03 GMT -8
So you made it through “Dark Sacred Night,” Mr. Kung? Maybe I’ll try to get back someday to “The Late Show.” It wasn’t bad. Just devoid of panache and interest. Not that that’s any deal-breaker. I hadn’t realized you had read that many of the Bosch novels. I wish I could think back and recommend the best ones because there might be a couple “must reads” not on your list. I think two (perhaps three) of the Lincoln Lawyer ones are outstanding. But one or two of them were very so-so. Also, I think all of the Bosch novels, proper, that included his half-brother, Mickey Haller, were good. There were (I think) two of those. Artler is a true Boschophile because he loves the character and generally wishes there were less of his daughter. That really goes for the books and even more so in the streaming series.
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Apr 11, 2020 9:10:12 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 11, 2020 9:10:12 GMT -8
Yes, absolutely. I’ve read nothing else like this that was as informative in regards to the actual work that cops perform. It’s not pretty much of the time, but necessary.
We all live relatively sheltered (and ignorant) lives compared to the first defenders: the military, law enforcement, paramedics, hospitals staff/doctors, the court system/jails, and firemen. You can obviously see (at least in the short term) how closing down 3/4 of the businesses in America can have about zero effect on civil order.
But if you closed down the above first-defenders for even a week, you would then be very glad you have a weapon, plenty of ammo, and knew how to use them.
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Apr 11, 2020 11:44:48 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 11, 2020 11:44:48 GMT -8
Correct. A very strange familial relationship, given the history and character of both.
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Apr 11, 2020 11:47:36 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 11, 2020 11:47:36 GMT -8
I agree with Artler. I find the daughter something of a self-righteous snowflake. And I can tell you, I wouldn't let some of the things she says slide so easily.
Another thing in the two Bosch books which I found unbelievable was Bosch's relationship with the dope-head who was Daisy Clayton's mother. It just doesn't ring true.
I might have read one or two more, but in hardback. I only mention those I downloaded from our public library.
I think his early books are better than the later books. The PC rubbish and relationship with his daughter tends to water down his more recent works.
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Apr 11, 2020 12:12:20 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 11, 2020 12:12:20 GMT -8
Yes, I will say Ballard acts like an idiot toward the end. I cannot believe any detective would do the stupid thing she does. Of course, she is extremely lucky and someone pulls her chestnuts out of the fire. I won't give more away as you might want to read it.
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Apr 11, 2020 19:52:22 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 11, 2020 19:52:22 GMT -8
That is what is so infuriating. I don’t mind so much that this little flake is a Snowflake. I mind that her father is such an absolute wet noodle when it comes to confronting this [expletive deleted] about her [expletive deleted]-like behavior.
This is either bad writing or good writing. Sadly, I suspect this is exactly how a lot of fathers do it now. They’ve been de-balled and de-clawed in regards to disciplining their daughters lest they be charge with mansplaining, micro-aggression, you name it. I don’t expect Bosch to physical hit her (but let me think about that a bit). But I do expect him to get in her face when she’s acting like an entitled, spoiled brat.
I’m not sure what Connelly was trying to do with that.
Okay, I get that “For the grace of god go I.” Bosch somehow sees himself in her. A fighter. A struggler. A kid who just needs a helping hand that can mean the difference between making it in this world or living in the gutter.
And yet the difference is that this chick is going nowhere but sideways or down no matter what Bosch does. Bosch’s help (to the extent it isn’t just enabling) doesn’t seem to make sense. As a cop, you’re likely going to be very careful before involving yourself with the criminal class. I guess the circumstances I see in this are not exceptional enough to warrant Bosch’s extra and prolonged interest.
But we’re not faced with that day-to-day ugliness. I can see how someone could need something to believe in, something to hope for, some sign that you’re making a positive difference in people’s lives. Mostly they are just trash collectors. I think the concept is good but Connelly fails in the execution. She seems too tacked-on.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 17, 2020 19:16:22 GMT -8
Bosch season six quick overview
For fans of of the first five seasons. You will not be disappointed with season six. There are several story lines with Bosh and his partner with each going off in their own direction and coming back. Bosch's daughter, Maddie is not as annoying and whiney as in previous seasons, perhaps because she is growing up, or maybe the producers listened to Brad, at any rate she is much more tolerable.
Most of the plot revolves around Connelly's book, Dark Sacred Night, so the murder of a teenager, Daisy Clayton, consumes a lot of the plot.
If you are a fan of Bosch and LA cop stories you will not be disappointed. As in almost every production these days there is some PC but it is mostly understated.
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Apr 18, 2020 7:45:44 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 18, 2020 7:45:44 GMT -8
Artler, as soon am I’m done with my latest Bad Noir Theatre, I’ll check out the first episode of season six.
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Apr 18, 2020 9:45:22 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 18, 2020 9:45:22 GMT -8
Okay, so far so good 3/5 of the way in the first episode of season six.
General observations: Maddie is definitely not getting better looking as she ages.
Love the term “Shroom” as when Bosch says about the FBI “They’re going to shroom us…keep us in the dark and feed us shit.” That’s very relatable regarding the whole Wuhan virus thing.
Solid episode so far. I realize the series is in a parallel universe compared to the books. They intersect here and there but generally keep the cast together when in the books, Bosch in constantly moving on and working with other people. But I like J Edgar so that’s okay. But I don’t remember any book that featured stolen radioactive material.
So I guess they’re adding their own extension to the Dark Sacred Night novel which I did read.
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Apr 18, 2020 19:28:09 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 18, 2020 19:28:09 GMT -8
Artler, I’ve blown through the first six episodes of season six of Bosch. You’re right. Maddie is less annoying. And I think it was in the fifth episode that she had a pretty dark green dress on at home and she looked good. But much of the time her man-brows stand out too much. She needs to shave those back a bit. It wouldn’t hurt her to put on five pounds as well.
I think I missed my calling because I suspected right away that the broad who was tied up in her bedroom was faking that part. Or maybe I’ve just watched enough crime dramas.
Most of the plots are pretty good. But the one centered around the Haitian or Jamaican drug dealers isn’t very good. And I frankly lost the trail of exactly what is going on with that. They brush past it pretty fast much of the time. I couldn’t begin to tell you what is going on.
I don’t believe that all those cops surrounding the bad FBI agent would have let his partner be the one to commit death-by-cop. I thought that was pretty stupid. And yet if anyone can console her, it will be Bosch who has lost a couple partners in the past, I believe.
And if I had Detective Joan Boom-Boom Bennett in my division, I’d have my hands all over her just as Lt. Billets does. Can’t blame her.
And I suppose Jamie Anne Allman putting a face to Elizabeth Clayton helps make a little more sense to Bosch taking her under his wing.
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Apr 19, 2020 7:36:23 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2020 7:36:23 GMT -8
Artler mentioned there is still some political correctness in the series (this season six). I think the largest aspect is the focus on this group (I forget what they call themselves) that rejects all law but common law. They drive around with home-made license plates on their cars, for instance.
This is a tremendously cowardly and dishonest theme. This is pure propaganda, the idea being that if you oppose any kind of government overreach, you’re just a kook. Shame on these series writers for this.
I’ll be waiting for Connelly and the writers to feature a revolutionary band of Eco-terrorists. But I’m not going to hold my breath.
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Apr 19, 2020 8:40:07 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2020 8:40:07 GMT -8
I was wrong. It’s Detective Boom-Boom Vega that has the touchy-feely problem with Lieutenant Billets.
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Apr 19, 2020 11:30:24 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 19, 2020 11:30:24 GMT -8
I am relieved. I tried to find Boom-Boom Bennett and couldn't.
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Apr 20, 2020 7:10:06 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 20, 2020 7:10:06 GMT -8
We aim to serve, Mr. Kung. And you can’t blame Lt. Billets for being a bit touchy-feely with her, although in this case it apparently didn’t mean anything. But her asshole boss (the captain) is bringing her up on sexual harassment charges. IA will now be involved even though boom-boom went to the captain and said it was nothing.
But boom-boom’s mousy black partner had previously reported to the captain what she had said to her about Billets being touchy-feely. He did so under the guise of “If I don’t say something, I’ll get in trouble too.” It’s probably a realistic portrayal of just how and why so many men have become mousy. It’s nut-driving to watching it. But you realize it’s probably very close to the truth. But I wanted to punch this little piece of jelly mold.
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