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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 22, 2021 16:52:28 GMT -8
From what I have heard today, Noem did herself a fair amount of damage during her morning press conference. If she wants to mitigate the damage, she will have to take a strong stand and not veto a bill which includes colleges and universities.
Noem has now become the focal point for many conservatives who are fed up with Republicans folding under pressure to sick transgender groups and their supporters, academia and the sports industry.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 22, 2021 18:14:39 GMT -8
Noem has now become the focal point I was willing to give her a benefit of doubt, but the more I hear the less I like it. She stepped in crap in the presser and now anything she does will, justifiably, be tinged with doubt about her motives. She made good points for improving the bill initially but has gone off track. Progressives will still hate her and conservatives will not be able to trust her. Politics may be the art of the possible, but that is only when you don't shoot your own feet.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 22, 2021 18:22:35 GMT -8
Apparently, she came across very badly on Tucker Carlson tonight. In the best case, she showed she has no fight in her. More likely is that she is just another politico who talks out of both sides of her mouth. She saw the strength of the MAGA movement and thought she could take advantage of them by pretending to be a real conservative. Unfortunately for her, the last election has created a very hard core and active group of people who are watching and willing to fight. Liars and fakes will be called out immediately.
Perhaps she believed she was making a Solomonic decision by splitting the baby between K-12 and collegiate sports. Both sides could claim some victory and go away. If she was thinking this way, she has now seen the folly of such thought. Like the baby brought before Solomon, there are some beliefs, some policies, some ideas, some things which simply cannot be split in the middle. The existential mess in which the USA finds itself is largely due to the fact that far too many of our politicians and voters haven't had the perspicacity or guts to grasp this uncomfortable truth.
I think she has done herself almost fatal damage. I am sure this will be the case if she doesn't immediately reverse course and do a big mea culpa very soon.
I warned you about her from the first.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 22, 2021 19:24:38 GMT -8
I warned you about her from the first. Mea, Mea, Colpa
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 22, 2021 20:11:46 GMT -8
After having read this, I think it is now likely that Noem is finished as regards her political future. The writer agrees with my assessment as regards to how she might salvage things, but the more info which comes out about this episode, the worse Noem's future will be. One of the comments below the article claims she only rates a 57% on Heritage Action's scale. That is not good. It appears she is just another RINO. Tricky Kristi
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 22, 2021 20:19:05 GMT -8
I was appalled when I read this piece last summer. I found it amazing that such a person could head the Heritage Foundation. Just shows you that the system in this country is anything but conservative, including the so-called conservatives. The good news is that she and another of the leaders of that organization have resigned. Disgusting leftist disguised as conservative
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Post by artraveler on Mar 23, 2021 11:06:43 GMT -8
I was appalled when I read this piece last summer I remember this from last summer and the questions about if we could trust traditional conservative organizations to remain conservative. The answer IMHO is no. It is not that ideological consistency has to be a touchstone for conservative, but picking up the arguments of the left as a weapon against supposedly other conservatives is not a part of conservative or libertarian philosophy. It goes with Reagan 11th commandment. In my experience there are two and only two ways to get someone to change their position on an issue. We have been living through the first with masks, lockdowns, a deadly disease with a 99% survival rate and that is use force. To a large extent force and the threat of force appears to have worked. I have to wonder if our parents or grandparents generations would have so meekly complied to such nonsense. The other way is to change minds with argument/discussion and facts. We have heard it said that facts are stubborn things, but not when leftists are allowed to make up their own facts and conservatives, sheepishly, agree to them. Well, I do not agree to their facts, I will not agree to their facts and when they decide I am too much of a risk I will fight.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 24, 2021 7:35:38 GMT -8
Reviews&Things will therefore award her the Marco Rubio Folding Tent award. That award has belonged to either Romney or Collins for the past 8 years running. Kudos to Noem for taking the trophy this year.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 24, 2021 12:31:19 GMT -8
This has the potential to become one of the most important awards in the USA. Receiving the award will be a badge of shame. Frankly, I believe Noem must now be completely destroyed. She should be given no chance to correct herself. She has had too many chances and she has fallen short. I believe she should be made an example of. She should be given no quarter, no place to hide. Ruin her politically. If this happens, perhaps, other weak-kneed, Chamber-of-Commerce Republicans might take note. Most people take on important lessons only through suffering. The link is to an excellent piece laying out Noem's phoniness and how she is just another in a long list of RINOs who surrender the narrative to the Demoncrats and give in. The piece also points out how the monied interests are on board with all the culture-destroying policies which the left has forced down the country's throat for decades. This is why I keep telling people to screw economic libertarians like the Koch brothers. I would go so far as to say screw Milton Friedman and Von Hayek. They have wonderful theories but don't seem to be able to comprehend that life is more than economics. They have taken on a Marxist view of life. Noem is finished
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Post by artraveler on Mar 24, 2021 13:59:38 GMT -8
Milton Friedman and Von Hayek. They have wonderful theories but don't seem to be able to comprehend that life is more than economics The problem is that Friedman and Von Hayek economics have not been tried and held on too. One of the reasons that Chile was such a mess in the early 70s was they went from a reasonably free economy to a Marxist one under Allende. It was the main reason Nixon ordered CIA to take down the government. We know the story of Pinochet as president, however, one of the reasons the Chilean economy rebounded as quickly as it did was the advisors from University of Chicago, bringing a Milton Friedman style of economics to Chile. One of the first thing they did was kill the federal social security program, which had been modeled on the Roosevelt SS program. Employees were allowed to use their money to invest any way they chose, even to remain in the SS program. They also encouraged the government to strike trade agreements based on a Chile first philosophy. The economic miracle of Chile over the next 20 years proved the viability. Needless to say success brought out the hate of the left and for the last 20 years Chile has been drifting back to socialism and the resulting economic doldrums. Just like Chile we had four years of economic success, based mostly on sound economic ideals and the leftists are intent on killing it. For to admit it works is to admit their murderous philosophy is worthless.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 24, 2021 15:10:55 GMT -8
Very Mark Steynish.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 24, 2021 18:24:04 GMT -8
Friedman's and Von Hayek's "economics" has never been tried because it is just another theory, which has little to do with the real world. Yes, some of what these two write is worthwhile and logical, but instead of understanding humanity, they can't see the obvious implications of their theory taken to its end.
Let's say the world tried a completely libertarian style of economics. Does anyone honestly believe that wealth and power wouldn't quickly accumulate among a very small number of people. And once this happened, does anyone believe that these same people would not begin to misuse their wealth and power to insure that they did not lose their wealth and power?
Let me be redundant, the people who reach the pinnacle of wealth and power are generally anything but good. True, they are by-in-large intelligent. But they are also arrogant, greedy, selfish, often obsessive, care little for others and are willing to step on anyone who might get in their way. That is sadly how human nature works. Some people make it to the top by luck, most make it by being ruthless.
The libertarian philosophy of "self-interest" is one of the most superficial systems to ever sprout from the mind of man. Yes, people are self-interested and look out for themselves. This is natural. However, pure self-interest is not a foundation upon which a culture or society can be built.
Taken to its logical end, such a system would induce incredible mass poverty and slavery as the losers would be left behind with only their "self-interest" in tact. This is not edible. Of course, it is likely that the losers would rise up before reaching this final stage and there would be some type of rebellion, i.e rivers of blood would flow.
To live in a reasonably tolerable society, the problems inherent in human "self-interest" have to be taken into consideration and mitigated as well as possible, else you have the law of the jungle and people destroy each other. Solving this problem is basically what human governance has always been about.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 24, 2021 18:58:42 GMT -8
On the other hand, I sometimes believe it is a "philosophy" concocted by some very smart and cynical people which is used to fool some gullible people into becoming and staying atomized in society. Atomized people, loners, individuals who have no strong loyalties or ties to others, are easier to defeat than groups. This is one of the main reasons the left has never ceased in its efforts to destroy the family, the Church and other traditional societal units and interest groups. It is as old as Aesop. The Bundle of Sticks
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 24, 2021 19:38:53 GMT -8
They are not letting Noem skate on this. Good. I repeat, she needs to be destroyed politically. If she can't stand strong on something so basic as the difference between a male and female, she is useless to conservatives. No, she is not playing 4D chess or the long game
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 24, 2021 22:26:29 GMT -8
This piece is a perfect example of why RINOs like Noem must be run out of office and shunned like the plague. Our leaders have let the left control the narrative so completely that "Catholics and Evangelical Christians" are included in a U.S. Military list as "extremists." Believing in normal Western values and biology is now "extremist." Christians are extremists More proof of my observation that the belief that those in the military are "conservative by nature" is bunkum. This asshole Austin sounds like a racist Trotskyite.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 25, 2021 10:00:40 GMT -8
How government works We have all seen that when put to the test most politicians are more than ready to give up, give out or give in. Nome is of course just another who can not or will not hold the line, there are few that do. The election process breeds this kind of pretzel twisting. Assume you have just been elected either to congress, or even your local state house. The day you are sworn into office you meet with your party leader. They shake your hand welcome you and almost at the same time ask you if you are planning you're reelection in two, four or six years. You kind of like the idea of political office and you say sure. I want to keep the job. Then the hammer comes down, every so gently but the hammer is covered in velvet. You must have support from the state or national party to prevent a primary challenge, remember this is from your own party, and to get that support you must vote the party line. You may be allowed on rare occasions to deviate but not much and not often. Otherwise the money will not flow and you election campaign will starve. The prospect is go-along and get-along or find another job. And most can not get another job so they fold. They go three sheets to the wind and the wind is not blowing. I am not excusing Noem but this is the position she is in and it is not enviable. I don't know who or what collection of who's got to her but it appears she folded completely. There has been some speculation it was a combination of the NCAA and companies like Apple applying the pressure. I would not be surprised but I think the real pressure came from another source. Noem did a good job of keeping her state open over the last year in spite of pressure from the left to shut down and she deserves some consideration for holding steady when others were running around with their hair on fire. I think, as a potential national candidate she now has no opportunity, however, she can and probably will ride it out and continue to her re elected as governor.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 25, 2021 11:29:06 GMT -8
There is much talk about one of her close advisers being somehow connected with business interests that include sports stadiums. The owners don't want to lose revenues by being shut out of the NCAA and possibly other sports groups.
Once again, we can see the damage done to the country as a result of America's mindless obsession with televised sports. I can understand watching some game on TV every now and then, but Americans are addicted to this.
I would guess that there is going to be a big fight between South Dakota RINOs/fat cat Republicans and the rest of the party. If Noem runs again for public office, I can see her becoming a huge symbol to both sides. I am not an expert on South Dakota politics, but I hope and expect her to crash and burn. Not just because she is a weak-kneed RINO, but because of the dishonest way she tried to explain away her veto. I also admit that I could sense the ambition dripping from her the first time I heard her speak at one of Trump's conference calls with all U.S. governors last March/April.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 25, 2021 11:40:22 GMT -8
I’m going to defer to the Prime Kungian Rule: things are complex, including economies. Although guiding theories or principals (such as free markets) are necessary and good, the actual life of any society is much more complex.
I finished watching a pirate documentary on Netflix. In many ways the egalitarian (supposedly) life in The Republic of Nassau looked exactly like what I imagine a Libertarian society to be. There are conceits of “equality” but (as with English pirate Charles Vane), the most ruthless psychopaths tended to gain power.
We need checks and balances against absolute power. Even Communism, in its naive, college-professor, distant-from-reality form, is about (supposedly) shifting power from the few entrenched rich guys and spreading it to “the people.” Never stated, of course, is that you need people in government with far more power than even the worst industrialist ever held in order to implement this scheme.
A discussion of societies, justice, and economics could run on for pages. This is a big subject, and one that cannot be contained in the words, “free markets.” Slave traders were engaged in free trade, at least from their point of view.
What Libertarians avoid is speaking of the centrality of restraining morals. And that is because neither liberals nor Libertarians feel they should be restrained. No system of any kind — economic or otherwise — can long survive or succeed if based on naive notions — if not based on an eyes-wide-open understanding of human nature.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 25, 2021 12:12:51 GMT -8
Also know as "World leaders."
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Post by artraveler on Mar 25, 2021 18:34:58 GMT -8
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