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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 2, 2021 20:15:38 GMT -8
I do not believe 75-80 million Trump voters are just going to go away now. A significant percentage are going to stay in the game and keep the pressure up. If that doesn't get results, who will be surprised if some % of Trump supporters start to pursue some of the left's political tactics.
We are already seeing the anger start to manifest itself in acts. Both Pelosi's and McConnell's homes have been vandalized. Whether this was done by different groups or the same group, trying to make it look like both the right and left were involved, I can't say. But you can look for more of this type of thing and we will be lucky if it only rises to this level of crime.
Again, we have the criminal left and feckless and greedy RINOs to thank for our present situation.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 14:39:43 GMT -8
I just sent the following to a couple of different Senators, and will be sending it to others as well. We must keep up maximum pressure.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 4, 2021 15:02:23 GMT -8
Nice letter, polite and to the point.
My letter to Cotton and Bozeman is much shorter.
Dears Coward either join the fight or get out and don't bother to come back to Arkansas.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 15:42:43 GMT -8
I have sent this out to twelve Republican Senators. I will sent it out to the balance Republican senators later tonight.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 4, 2021 18:38:21 GMT -8
The only thing these guys fear — and that includes Ted Cruz — is a backlash from incensed Trump supporters. For now, no one knows how this will play out. On the one hand, you could be tainted by Trump’s means and methods. On the other, he might not be going away and still could play the part of a king-maker. If you’re a Republican, you’re caught between distancing yourself from Trump and hedging your bets. I think Cruz has played his own hand well enough.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 4, 2021 18:59:58 GMT -8
Given the animosity of the former democrats, hereafter referred to as American Communists or AC. Trump is and will be a thorn in their sides, but the revolution he has started will continue without him. The AC will continue to attack anyone and any institutions that attempts to hold them accountable. Frankly, I see no viable way to victory except violence. And I fear that as much as I fear a AC takeover of government. I'm not sure the death tool is lesser either way.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 19:42:19 GMT -8
Good. That is exactly as it should be. The country is, after all, a democratic republic. I don't know what you believe they should fear. The voters should count, not just the fat-cat donors.
What means and methods would you be referring to? Not folding under pressure, accepting a corrupt vote? Fighting back legally? Pointing out the corruption endemic in this country's politics and elections? What exactly is he doing that is beyond the pale? Not being polite and rolling over like the assholes Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan and other RINOs who betray voters while smiling at them. They are little (no) better than the Demoncrats as they work with them and enable their evil program.
I love the fact that "Republicans" are caught between distancing themselves from Trump and hedging your bets. I hope this kills (figuratively speaking) many of them who stand for nothing except lining their own pockets.
In fact, the Republican Party is now operating under an open rebellion. It will never be the same party. If Trump decided to step away from the Reps and start his own party, the Reps would be mortally wounded. I don't think he will do this, because I believe he will find it easier to take over the party itself.
I agree that Cruz is playing this pretty cleverly. I would expect nothing less.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 4, 2021 20:41:09 GMT -8
When Americans instigated a revolution, she had very good leaders. Strike that. She had once-in-a-half-million-years extraordinary leaders.
Although things often got ugly on the ground in some places, the leaders of the American Revolution were most decidedly not beasts as revolutionary leaders almost always are.
I’ll posit that no useful revolt or revolution can happen with Trump because his cause is not an idea. His cause is himself.
I would like to sit down with each and every Trump raver and ask them, “Have you ever rebelled against your own politically-correct HR department? No? Then if you can’t face down nanny in the smaller things, what makes you think you can take her on in the larger things? Or is all this pomp and bother really about expecting someone else to the job you should be doing yourself?”
The time to get hot-and-bothered is when we have good, principled leaders who are deeply steeped in American ideals. There’s a lot of heat, smoke, and fog right now, but I see no path to reform.
And although a commission on the integrity of elections is a good idea, I believe there is exactly zero impulse by Republicans to follow through on this idea, including Trump. It’s a way to throw some red meat to the Trump zealots.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 21:07:37 GMT -8
I'm sorry, but that is one of the less, (hum how shall I say it?) logical things you have ever written here. By that way of thinking, we should all wait around for ideal, or almost ideal, conditions before attempting any type of change. In the meantime, the levee has broken, the house has burned down and locusts have eaten the crop, but that's ok because we didn't have the ideal people to repair the levee, a fire brigade to put out the fire or a crop duster to get rid of the pests.
Unfortunately, life does not generally work like that. If one waits for perfect instruments one will never play. One does what one can with the instruments at hand when they are at hand.
It is true that we were extremely fortunate in our founding, but I guarantee that all those who took part were not considered ideal at the beginning or during the fight. Many people wanted to get rid of Washington a number of times, because he was not ideal. And no, I am not comparing Trump to Washington. But I do suggest people read some contemporary writings of the time. Nobody was perfect or even near perfect. Things only look great in hindsight.
It is most common in life for people to avoid taking on adversity. They look for leadership to give them inspiration to overcome their own limitations. You may not like it. In fact, it is clear you hate it that Trump is this type of inspiration for many. Bitching about a problem does not solve it. Waiting for Godot will leave one, well, waiting. Action is required, and for what ever reason, Trump inspires many to action. Anyone who can't see this is blind.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 21:28:50 GMT -8
I have sent my letter to a further 32-33 senators. Now, I do not know that any will read my letter or, if they read it, whether it will have any positive effect on their actions. On the other hand, I know for certain that if I did not write my letter none of the senators would have had any chance to react to it.
I don't expect success often. Hell, I expect failure most of the time. In business, I felt happy if I closed a deal for every 15-20 negotiations I had. That would mean I had about a 5-to-7% success rate. One can argue whether or not that was good or bad. On the other hand, I know that without any business negotiations, I would have had a 0% success rate.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 4, 2021 21:53:17 GMT -8
Washington faced numerous attempts to replace him. Charles Lee and Horatio Gates both wanted to replace them because they considered themselves better prepared to command due to their European experience. The most serious effort against him was the Conway Cabal during the Valley Forge period. (John Adams was a supporter of the cabal.) In the end, Conway himself (the quartermaster-general) was the only person to lose a job.
Lincoln, of course, faced the contempt of many, and not just Southern aristocrats. McClellan referred to him as "the original gorilla" in letters to his wife.
Meanwhile, I note that the MaligNancy's proposed new rules eliminating gendered words such as "father" and "mother" as well as weakening the rights of the minority passed on a purely partisan vote. So much for the legend that there are still moderate Demagogues.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 22:05:20 GMT -8
Here is what those who disagree with the Demoncrats can look forward to.
Still, we mustn't be rude to these creatures, because it would not be becoming of us.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 4, 2021 22:10:19 GMT -8
one of the rare things about the founders is that they recognized humans will be influenced by money, power, sex, drugs and rock n roll. To counter this influence which all of them, regardless of political leaning, federalist/anti-federalist had. The Constitution which through its system of check and balance gave limited power to as many diverse groups as possible. It works only because everyone is willing to refer to those rules as a guideline of how to conduct government. Men of radically different positions could work together for the good of the realm, not today positions a more and more polarized and becoming more concrete.
What we have witnessed over the last 30 years is an erosion of agreement between the sides of limited control and massive control. The same thing was happening in the 1850s. The traditional liberal side favoring limited government, low taxes, few foreign engagements and fair and free trade has been losing since 1900 but it did not accelerate until the 1990s.
In my opinion, it is going to take a cathartic event to change the direction. I had hoped that a Trump election in 2016 would provide that event. It did not. Surely, it stirred the pot and gave some hope to millions who had given up and only want to be left alone with Law n Order reruns on their 52 inch flat screen. What I fear most in a Biden administration is; sensing massive unrest at home and the Neo-cons Biden is seeking to place in office is a new foreign war, probably in Asia but possible in Europe. If not real civil war is possible here.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2021 22:57:35 GMT -8
More "innocent" voter fraud in Georgia. Keep moving, nothing to see here.
Watch the 2 minute video.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 5, 2021 7:00:00 GMT -8
One can't blame the Demagogues for what their more fanatical supporters do, but one can demand that they denounce them as Republicans are expected to denounce violence attributed to the right.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 5, 2021 8:27:00 GMT -8
Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 5, 2021 9:07:43 GMT -8
It was a polite way of saying “Don’t be played by a self-centered demagogue.” All of this is just smoke-and-mirrors. Your letter, as thoughtful as it was, is meaningless, perhaps even destructive, without a credible preamble of “Because of demonstrable widespread and coordinated fraud that was of the amount to swing the presidential election . . .” But no one can say that. All we have are balled-up fists of anger and various anecdotes. Like I said, I didn’t sign on to be Trump’s yes-man or take part in his personal psychodrama. Here’s the type of article that signifies Trump’s “inspiration.” And it’s an embarrassment (but emblematic) of a site that has gone to the dogs. This article by is nothing more than thumb-sucking by a snowflake. But this passes for thoughtful discourse these days: This Election Will Not StandLet me summarize my own views: A) I’m against voter fraud and we need better safeguards B) I prefer Trump to Biden C) We all need to personally battle the Left, not go along to get along and expect a politician to fix everything D) I won’t be gamed by political psychopaths on either side of the aisle No one is going to overturn this election. It’s not at all evident that it would be legal to do so anywhere down the line now. I think it’s pure fantasy to think the anyone can just ask that Electors not be counted. If that happened, it’s hard to see how this would be different from actual treason. It would be the kind of subverting of our republic that the Democrats are being accused of. It’s quite possible that Trump lost this election and that all this hot-and-bother is about a man who would drag his country and his party through the gutter in order to salve his bruised ego. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 5, 2021 9:33:18 GMT -8
I would take a hatchet if I could to at least one-half of the Federal budget. But it’s worthwhile noting that Trump and the Republicans were for spending trillions of dollars on “Covid relief money.” This is not small government. That is not responsible government. That is out-of-control government.
LOL. That’s a nice paragraph right there. The likelihood is that most (right or left) will continue to believe (or at least acquiesce to) the basics tenets of the Left — tenets that undergird their political power:
1) Women are victims
2) “People of color” are victims
3) White people and America are fundamentally bad
It’s worth noting that Trump and the Republicans this last four years did little other than to deepen those ruts in the road. Trump’s “criminal reform” bills and gestures were basically a nod to the idea that black people are in jail because someone is unfairly picking on them. And he let Bruce Jenner use the women’s room. He had liberal family members feeding him policy prescriptions. Etc.
Trump’s economic policies (and judicial appointments) were the things contrary to the reigning (on both sides) social policies (although the Left surely is driving those policies, but it’s never long until Republicans accept them as the status quo). Economic push-backs by a chief executive are welcome. But they will be fleeting given that the driver of politics these days are social ideas. And these ideas are owned — lock, stock, and barrel — by the Left. More importantly, they meet very little opposition. If talked about, people do so with at least one or two degrees of separation from the core ideas...so much so that such talk is pretty much useless in terms of combating the ideas.
And is a country that acquiesces to wearing a mask and kowtowing to every diktat from above in a position for a cathartic event? I think it’s reasonable to assume no.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 5, 2021 9:47:14 GMT -8
A good piece by Dennis Prager. I am happy he has come to this understanding, even if it is somewhat belated.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 5, 2021 11:14:08 GMT -8
Well, yes, that makes sense to some degree. Human nature doesn’t seem to vary much from group to group, nation to nation.
But aside from abortion, our worst sins are firing people for not agreeing that a man who is dressed as a woman is not still really a man. We haven’t quite yet systematically killed millions of people or empowered other people to do so.
I believe in the slippery-slope argument, for it is self-evidently true. But there is a difference between gas ovens and firing someone for not upholding the “gender identity” dogma.
Perhaps the worst indictment of Germans is that ostensibly they were a Christian people. A quick look at Wiki states that in May of 1939, 54% of people considered themselves Protestant and 40% Catholic. Christianity first and foremost is supposed to be a power to tame human nature away from sin and toward goodness. We can suppose that any kind of henchmen can grab hold of a beastial people, but not a Christian people.
Something went dreadfully wrong. The equivalent today is the reigning religion of Progressivism, no matter what second-tier euphemism one may self-identify as (Presbyterian, etc.). It’s the religion that feigns to be nice, tolerant, caring, and fair. Will that religion have any better luck at restraining human nature?
It seems an obvious case that Christianity, even when practiced rather rotely, is not an instigator of beastial behavior. You have to pervert it or ignore it in order to empower Nazis. But with Progressivism’s roots in Stalinism, such restraints against beastial behavior (despite their pleasing deceits) are not built-in. It’s just the opposite. Everything about Progressivism is geared toward excess, if only because of their denial of a human nature that inherently needs restraint.
My basic shtick for a while now is not the question or whether or not Progressivism will go away but whether or not the rank-and-file Progressive will play the part of Slim Pickens at the end of Dr. Strangelove. Will they hold onto their ideology no matter how personally destructive it is to them (and their friends) because they are so wedded to it and simply can’t conceive that they are fundamentally wrong about something? Will they ride the bomb to the ground?
It’s possible that a “kinder and gentler” faction would push back against the monsters. But we don’t see that today regarding this Covid stuff. There’s every reason to believe that the religion that has no problem killing the unborn by the millions has no built-in limiting factor for even worse abuses.
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