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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 12:00:25 GMT -8
If this holds up elsewhere, things could change fast. Why is Raffensperger standing in the way and actively trying to block people from getting information on the count? He is either a crook or they have pictures of him with little boys.
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Post by artraveler on Dec 6, 2020 12:03:45 GMT -8
We have no good choices. The only choices are between allowing the destruction of the USA as we know it, or wounding the USA badly. This has been a major difference between us and our enemies. The communists in and out of our government give pretense to some glorious Star Trek future where everyone is has equal outcomes regardless of merit. As mature sentient adults we understand that often the choices we face in life, and death, are between bad and worse. The bulk of human progress and cultural evolution is based on taking the best of bad choices. So in 1789 when slavery was written into the Constitution it was the best choice of the alternative of no Constitution and no country. Anyone with even a limited historical knowledge can find evidence of many other times in American history where the choices are taking the lesser of two or more evils. The remarkable thing about our history is that we have almost always chosen the lesser bad, until the 21st century. So we must ask ourselves what changes in the previous 20 years, (1980-2000) and what is changing now over the last 20 years,(2000-2020) and do we have the virtue to fix it? Sadly, that question is being answered by Proverbs, we have sown the wind, and are reaping the whirlwind. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 12:34:17 GMT -8
Why was this done? These state Secretaries of State even gave out Social Security numbers to Rock the Vote.
Why are government entities partnering with private companies and associations?
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 12:46:32 GMT -8
This lying scumbag said yesterday that nobody told the (Republican) vote counters/observers to go home the night of the election. In this video made some time ago, he says he told them to go home. He is in charge of Fulton County elections. I agree that he should be picked up and interrogated.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2020 13:30:03 GMT -8
On election night, the news media reported that (because of that broken water main) vote-counting in Fulton County had stopped at 10:30. Some reported that everyone was sent home. Now they claim otherwise, which is obviously a lie. One article estimated that there were 82 minutes between the GOP observers leaving and the first state monitor showing up.
The Secretaries of State in Michigan and Pennsylvania are both Demagogues, which should provide all the explanation you need. In this case, I suspect the person responsible is Zuckerberg, not Soros. One leftist plutocrat is much like any other leftist plutocrat.
I find it hard to believe there really is a problem with Dominion machines in Georgia given the full hand recount, unless the totals were added up there. The method could be what I thought of -- randomly transferring a percentage of Trump votes to the Yellow Jester. But switching 13% seems high. Erick Erickson has pointed out that in many states, the machines are used in counties voting solidly for Trump, which would seem to indicate that there was no problem at the time.
But if there is, would this affect other races? Maybe Dave Perdue really won a majority already, so only the special election (which was initially a race involving 3 major and many minor candidates) would need a run-off. How about Sean Parnell in PA 17 or John James in Michigan?
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Post by artraveler on Dec 6, 2020 15:20:59 GMT -8
In a sick way it is amusing that every time communists get caught with their hands in the till they always fall back to the same excuse of, "well it was a mistake, we will do better next time, but we must accept the results this time.". Try pulling that excuse the next time a LEO pulls you over for speeding.
The communists have gone a long way just with acting stupid or incompetent they are neither.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 15:38:32 GMT -8
I don't know enough about computers to know one way or the other exactly what could be done to rig the Dominion machines to steal the election. I do know that the Demoncrats are strongly resisting any inspection of these machines, and not just in Georgia.
If the machines can't be rigged, why the extreme efforts to block any and all study of them? This should be prima facie evidence of wrong doing.
In any case, the machines are only one part of a layered attempt to steal the election. As I said before, no explanation is needed for cases of kicking observers out of the counting room. That should also be prima facie evidence of criminal behavior.
While the question of rigged machines may be confusing, it is easy to understand the number of illegal votes read out by the Reps lawyer in Georgia. 2,506 felons, 66,000 (abt I can't recall the exact no.) of people who registered to vote before they were 17.5 years old (illegal in Georgia), 2,423 non-registered, 1,043 with P.O box as address (illegal in the USA), 10,315 dead, 395 voted in two states, 40,277 who changed counties in Georgia without registering new address. There are about 23,000 more such illegal votes but I can't recall the exact problems. Some were because of change of addresses and about 7,500 were not registered in some way. Those numbers are far beyond the winning margin for Biden.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 16:08:38 GMT -8
Election fraud is very uncommon in these United States.
Does anyone doubt that Raffensperger is a criminal and doing everything he can to get the election results over the line? He can then be pardoned for his crimes.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 18:27:08 GMT -8
Here are the exact numbers and reasons they are illegal under Georgia law. The Trump campaign is using them in a law suit which has just been filed in Fulton County.
2,560 felons
66,247 underage voters
2,423 votes from people not registered
1,043 individuals registered at post office boxes
4,926 individuals who voted in Georgia after registering in another state
395 individuals who voted in two states
15,700 votes from people who moved out of state before the election
40,279 votes of people who moved without re-registering in their new county
Another 30,000 to 40,000 absentee ballots lacking proper signature matching and verification
There were also supposed to be 10,315 dead people who voted.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2020 18:50:32 GMT -8
What we're seeing is an interesting flaw in the US electoral system. With this many illegal votes (assuming those numbers are confirmed) in an election as close as Georgia's, the election result would be overturned and a new election called. Back in the 1970s, the GOP picked up a couple of House seats in Louisiana based on this. One I specifically recall the details of, in 1974, involved Henson Moore defeating Jeff LaCaze by 44 votes, but a single machine that failed to report any votes by LaCaze though it showed hundreds of votes for other Demagogues. So they reran the election, and Henson won handily this time.
But the date on which presidential electors are to be chosen is set by law. There's no basis for having a new presidential race in one state (or several, or even all of them). To be sure, the GOP could in some way send in a second set of electoral votes based on a different count, as happened in 1876. What would happen then, I don't know. That race was settled by setting up a bipartisan electoral commission for that one race. There were suspicions of possible violence as a result.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 19:02:35 GMT -8
I have seen claims that the date Dec 14th is statutory and could be ignored in certain cases. I don't know if this will happen, but if fraud is clearly the case, I can understand the rational for going past the date. There is nothing in the Constitution which makes any date before January 20th sacrosanct.
Apparently, the aim of the Trump team's recently submitted law suit it to have the election nullified and thereby keep Georgia from choosing electors. That is also the goal in one of the Pennsylvania cases. As you indicated, the reason for this gambit is that if the numbers are shown to be fraudulent, the remedy in Georgia law is not to award the previous loser a victory. It just nullifies the results and a new election is to be called.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 19:10:05 GMT -8
I zee notheenk, notheenk.
Clearly, the Demoncrats have nothing to hide.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2020 19:32:30 GMT -8
Election Day (November 3 this year) is set by Congress. However, December 14 (the Electoral College meet and votes) and January 6 (Congress counts the Electoral College votes) are set in the 20th Amendment along with January 3 (the new Congress meets) and January 20.
The electoral votes of any state can be challenged by a Senator and Representative in writing. Mad Maxine challenged Florida in 2001, but no Senator joined her. Ohio was challenged in 2005, but neither House voted in favor of the challenge. (For it to succeed, both houses would need to do so.) Mo Brooks has announced his intention to challenge Pennsylvania, but we'll have to see if any Senator joins him. In any case, the House obviously will vote against any such challenge.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 19:41:02 GMT -8
Here is the 20th Amendment. I read it as January 20th is set in stone, but not Dec 14th or any other dates regarding the presidential election.
I never looked into this before, but I started hearing about this last week. It seems to me that the logic is now,
1. The last date for the Electoral College to vote and confirm their votes is December 14th. This cannot be extended as there is no time for the U.S. Congress to gather and pass a law allowing an extension of this date. Even if the Congress did pass a law, it would no doubt be vetoed by the president. There is virtually no chance that such a veto would be overridden.
2. If the Electoral College cannot find minimum 270 votes for one or the other candidate, the election of the president is thrown into the U.S. House of Representatives. Given the future breakdown of the House will be 26 or 27 states controlled by Reps, 3 or 4 states with evenly split delegations and 20 states with Demoncrat controlled delegations, the Reps should vote in Trump.
There appears to be some who believe that the final confirmation of the Electoral College might be put off. I don't know how they would do it.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2020 19:57:15 GMT -8
I checked just now, too, and must say I was surprised. I could have sworn it was set in the Constitution, but evidently not. Even so, both houses would have to vote to change the dates, and that won't happen.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 20:30:49 GMT -8
I do have one question regarding the Electoral College. Say Pennsylvania, Georgia and another state were disqualified and thereby brought the number of votes for Biden below 270, but still above Trump's number of votes. Would Biden be president or would the election get thrown into the House?
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Post by timothylane on Dec 6, 2020 20:37:12 GMT -8
That's a good question, and I'm not sure there's a clear answer Would the electoral votes be considered to still be 538? If so, the House would vote by states to select a President while the Senate voted to select a VP. If the disqualified votes were excluded from the total number of electoral votes, reducing the needed majority, he would still win.
But the Constitution has nothing to settle that question. Maybe congressional statues do, but I certainly don't know.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 20:54:03 GMT -8
Mark Levin clearly lays out the unconstitutional acts of the Pennsylvania Legislature, the Governor, the Secretary of State and Pennsylvania Supreme Court. These are some of the points I mentioned before about the unconstitutional lawlessness which has taken place in several states.
If the United States is a Banana Republic, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is a Banana Republic run by monkeys.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 6, 2020 21:00:23 GMT -8
This is the clause which has me concerned.
It would clearly be best for Trump to flip three states in addition to having a couple of states not certify their electors. He not only needs for Biden to lose votes, but for some of those lost votes to come over to him.
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Post by timothylane on Dec 7, 2020 14:28:47 GMT -8
Jesse Watters just reported on The Five that one Atlanta Demagogue -- Ralph Jones -- not only invented the lie of a water main breaking (what actually happened was an overflowing urinal), but also sent the GOP observers and the news media home at 10:30. And then they continued counting votes, safe from such careful observation. Eventually state monitors showed up, but there was an interim when they were totally unobserved.
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