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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 12, 2021 10:31:01 GMT -8
I just finished Mephisto Waltz by Frank Tallis. It's one of a series of "Max Libermann Mysteries." Max Liebermann is a secular-Jew/Freudian-shrink in Vienna -- and an actual protege of Freud (who makes a brief appearance in the novel). He and his friend, Police Detective Inspector Oskar Rheinhardt, are investigating a strange murder. Both love music. In between outings (Rheinhardt uses Liebermann as a consultant), they will gather in one of their abodes (Oskar's, I think). Max plays the violin and Oskar sings. Both are apparently very good. After scratching their itch for classical music and high culture, they will retire to the study in front of the fire for brandy and cigars. Very civilized. Not a lot (not any) f-bombs in this book. That's the appeal of the book. This isn't written for Cretans. And although Lierbermann's thinking is clearly centered around psychoanalysis and Freudian psychology, the author (until a really stupid part at the end) never hits you over the head with it. This is Vienna in the 1890s. This is presumably how it was and not just the author's affectation. Thus this is, at the very least, an interesting historical fiction, setting you into the time and place. But the detective story is also decent enough. The plot is nothing spectacular and consists of very little you haven't seen before. But I think it gains by not trying to be full of unrealistic tricks and twists and turns. This is a plot that could happen...and definitely did in anarchist-riddled Vienna where an Empress was fairly recently murdered. And that's the plot: Anarchists are about and they seemed to have some deadly plan. This book is almost certainly written by an atheist. His bio states: Dr Frank Tallis is a writer and clinical psychologist. He has held lecturing posts in clinical psychology at the Institute of Psychiatry and neuroscience at King's College London. The idea of prayer to God for a good outcome is openly scoffed at. Max is a "scientific" man who will not deal in such nonsense. It's interesting though to see him do some seat-of-the-pants psychoanalyzing of people (must have had a domineering mother, etc.) - all except the incident at the end where he uses some drive-by psychoanalyzing as presumably a weapon against one of their adversaries in the intelligence establishment. Really comes off poorly. One gets the impression that author may have been a little tipsy when he wrote the last chapter. It also includes a wildly gratuitous mention of the Crusades and seems like little more than the insertion of Jewish victimology. (There is no mention that the Christians, however barbarous they were, were reacting to Muslim aggression.) Nearly spoiled the ending for me. And Detective Rheinhardt is clearly cut from the same secular cloth. When talking about a murderous chick who would kill innocents by the dozens with bombs if given a chance, he cautions not to judge her too harshly for: How magnanimous of the inspector. That said, this isn't a politically correct novel, per se, even though it has the proverbial Ass-Kicking Female in the guise of Liebermann's lady-friend, Englishwoman Amelia Lydgate. She is just super-brilliant at everything! Woo hoo! Are there brilliant women? Yes, but she feels like a feminist add-on. Other than the three (or four) things noted, there was nothing in the book that insulated my intelligence. In fact, it's a very well-written novel by a quite erudite author who also has a knack for brief descriptions that add to the atmosphere. That is, I like his writing style. This was a pleasure to read and the story never bogged down. It also seemed like a short read although Amazon lists it as 500 pages. It seemed more like 275. Bottom line is, it flowed rather well.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 13, 2021 8:51:07 GMT -8
A couple quotes from Mephisto Waltz;
Here’s a quote about groups quoted from Le Bon by Freud in a conversation Freud has with Liebermann:
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 13, 2021 8:52:17 GMT -8
This is good too:
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Post by artraveler on Dec 13, 2021 17:54:01 GMT -8
I just finished watching a TV series done by the BBC featuring these characters it is in six one hour parts covering three cases. I found it to be very well done
The series is on Amazon Prime and is titled Vienna Blood. Your spot on with the characters and they are just a little quirky but also insightful. There is a slight foreshouding in the show. There are a few conversations that seem to be pointing at The Great War and even a mention of the following war. Like his idol Freud Libermann is a Jew, upper middle class and and Inspecter Reinhardt is also middle class but at the less wealthy end of Vienna society. They make a convincing pair.
The show capture the charm of what Vienna must have been 120 years ago and the slow development of criminal investigation and forensic science, no fingerprints, DNA, or any other CSI stuff. Just a couple of guys who try to puzzle it out.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 13, 2021 19:13:56 GMT -8
Very much so. That charm is arguable the main character in these stories. I want to live in that city at that time and drink brandy by the fireplace after listening to these two play a piece of music. (I said that Liebermann played violin...he may indeed, but he also is expert on the piano.) I want to watch the light snow fall on the cathedral-like spires of Vienna's town hall, Herr Rheinhard's favorite building.
I'm reading the second book in the series right now: Vienna Blood. I'll have to hold off on the Amazon Prime series in order to read the books fresh. But I'm itchin' to see how it's been interpreted. Sounds as if they've stayed true to the books.
Yes, lots and lots of the "slow development of criminal investigation and forensic science." In Vienna Blood, we've just witnessed one of the earliest uses of a technique to determine whether or not the blood in question is human or not. It involves a rabbit. No lasting harm apparently for the rabbit.
In Mephisto Waltz there is early (very early) use of fingerprints as evidence. And, of course, Herr Liebermann is a walking, talking profiler that is now all the rage in modern investigations. This is especially the case (so far) in a case of multiple grisly murders.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 15, 2021 15:07:25 GMT -8
I'm about 2/3 into Vienna Blood. The murders themselves remain completely unsolved. But behind the scenes (either connected with the murders or not) is a gathering proto-Nazism. I thought Mephisto Waltz (so far) had a better plot. In this one, it's just murder added onto murder. Not particularly interesting in that regard. But overall I'm enjoying the read.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 15, 2021 15:52:55 GMT -8
I haven't commented on this writer so far, as I only saw the "Vienna Blood" TV series and read the book. Frankly, I can't remember much from either. I did like the police inspector much more than the the shrink. I found the young-screaming woman something of a bore. Sounds like the "Mephisto Waltz" is better. I may give it a try. I am more than a little spoiled having completed the Bernie Gunther series, which basically starts in Berlin some 20-30 years later than "Vienna Blood."
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 15, 2021 16:28:41 GMT -8
This is a famous line from, I believe, Einstein. Apparently, even that genus, didn't have the breadth of vision to state that evil is as boundless as stupidity. In fact, to my way of thinking it is one of the great intellectual conceits of Jewish secularists such as Einstein, Freud, Adler et. al. to shoo away evil from human discourse. We have seen where this denial has led us.
I suspect the great impetus for this type of though came, at least partially, from their desire to be so superior and above things and show others that this is the case. 'We're so smart, and can figure out these simple things that you religious fanatics have never been able to get your hands around. "
In fact, I return to the wisdom of that Berlin cop Bernie Gunther, who when having discussions with two of his superiors as to criminal motivation had an ear-full from his Jewish friend and boss on the psychology of crime, blah, blah, bah. His boss expecting some words of praise or agreement was surprised when Bernie gave the best short discourse why people commit crime. He said, "And some people are just cunts."
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 15, 2021 17:10:54 GMT -8
Yeah, the Bernie Gunther series is something I ought to try out.
I can’t say I like either Max or Oskar better than the other. I guess I like them both although I’m always wondering how much Freudian psychology I’ll have to swallow down with Max.
But it was refreshing to read this passage. Liebermann is part of an elite 5-man weekly (or so) bunch who meet at Freud’s house where they would smoke cigars…oh, and maybe discuss cases. But the cigar smoking seemed to be the thing. Funny imagery the author gives to this at times.
Gotta love that. Love the “roiling numbus.” But I liked this next bit even more because it’s at least irreverent. Liebermann had presented the case of a Mr. B to the weekly meeting. Mr. B was a fellow who had a delusional fixation on a princess. Mr. B had also described some terrifying dreams to Dr. Liebermann and then Lieberman presented them to Freud and his companions. Later Liebermann was perhaps a bit skeptical of Freud’s analysis:
Well, at least while wading through this Freudian stuff, the elephant in the living room did not go unnoticed.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 15, 2021 17:17:33 GMT -8
Without a doubt. And I think we can say at this point that the experiment has been run and it’s been a disaster. Man is not just a thing who can be understood in terms of purely material influences.
Not that those still running this experiment have gotten the message. But as time goes on, they will (like the Darwinists) continue to look more and more foolish until their ideas are at least ridiculed in the mainstream and junked.
Again, without a doubt. The great unifying ideological force behind “science” is the desire to erase God and any metaphysics that allows anything other than the material. These are fundamentalist kooks who fulfill the saying: If all you have is a hammer than every problem will look like a nail.
Atheists/materialist are boxed in and blinded by their own philosophy. I read something interesting the other day. It noted that core advances in physics have fizzled out in the last 50 years or so (a fact). The speculation was that the reigning atheistic/materialist viewpoint was blinding them to other options.
Sounds like Bernie is no dummy.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 16, 2021 8:47:45 GMT -8
Nearing the end of Vienna Blood. I can definitely see why this was made into live action. It has the perquisite body count desired of all dull people in order to try to jiggle their senseless senses. I'm very near the end and it seems the killer has been discovered. But there is about zero believability to it. Yes, I accept that someone did all this killing. But it seems lifeless and gadgety. There's little drama or interest in why someone did this. But there could be some twists and turns at the very end the perhaps puff some life into this rather lifeless plot. But the characters (including Vienna) are still good. It's an interesting (perhaps underdone) plot point where Herr Liebermann decides to break his engagement with Clara. It's a good scene with him breaking this news to Clara's father. Ouch. No easy way to do this without looking like a complete ass. But at least it has me listening to Die Zauberflöte.
At the end of the day, I think I would be happy in Vienna where the national pastimes are coffee, sweet pastries, and classical music. Who wouldn't want to walk across the street and have a türkische or a schwarzer to wash down the poppy seed strudel at The Mozart Cafe?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 16, 2021 10:36:03 GMT -8
One interesting bit in Vienna Blood is that H.G. Wells' The Time Machine had just come out. He saw Amelia Lydgate reading it and asked about it.
Obviously we're still dealing with the implications of the novel. We do see a class of Elois emerging around us. They may not be materially deficient but they are morally and intellectually deficient.
It's an interesting case that the author makes through Herr Liebermann that Wells foresaw an increasing stratification of society between the haves and have-nots, if evidenced only by the common "upstairs/downstairs" reality of so many places, including miners working underground, etc.
This was further reinforced to Lieberman by his forays into the sewers. He had no idea that such an extensive network ran underneath Vienna nor that there were thousands of people living in them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 16, 2021 12:31:44 GMT -8
I finished Vienna Blood and it did end better than I thought it would. We learn more about what was going on with the killer. But some of this info should have been filtered into the story earlier. Without it, the murders and murderer seem distant and rather pro forma. The body count keeps piling up but the plot really has no meaning to it and thus even the villain lacks interest. Any story needs a good villain and this really didn't have one until the very very end.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 16, 2021 12:38:24 GMT -8
Wasn't totally bowled over by The Magic Flu. I listened to Karl Böhm and the Vienna Philharmonic production. Wasn't extraordinarily enamored by any of the singers. I'm going to listen to the in-English production by the London Philharmonic Orchestra and Sir Charles Mackerras.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 16, 2021 18:53:22 GMT -8
I've started my third Max Liebermann Mystery: Fatal Lies. It also happens to be the third in the series. They have about 10 of these available in the online library but not the first book in the series at the moment. Max and Oskar have taken their gals to a fancy ball where they are waltzing to Strauss. dressed in their finest. Oskar is interrupted by an out-of-breath constable who tells him of a death. The death (not yet proven to be a murder) is of a 15-year-old at a middling school for boys located in the sticks. The school seems rife with prickly and pompous schoolmasters. There's an autopsy. And that's about where I left it. Pretty good so far.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 17, 2021 14:14:35 GMT -8
This rings a bell. I can't recall if I read the book, or saw it on TV.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 17, 2021 15:41:28 GMT -8
If it rings a bell it's because this plot has been done many times. Boys school. Weaker boys being bullied. Was it murder or suicide? Etc. etc. We'll see if Tallis can bring something more to this typical plot. One-quarter into it, there is still no evidence of it being murder. But there is mounting evidence of an internal "Lord of the Flies" reigning amongst many of the pupils. It obvious that one or more teachers must be involved in this somehow as well. We'll see how dark the plot gets. Looking perhaps very dark -- and Freudianly sexual as well. The schoolmaster's wife is a younger babe in a loveless marriage and, well, she likes to have some of the boys over...including the fellow who died. Perhaps totally innocent. Don't know yet.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 20, 2021 21:01:22 GMT -8
Almost done with Fatal Lies. This was a darker book than the other two and uncomfortable to read in places. There were several scenes of boys bullying and torturing other boys. Not something that is typically my go-to for entertainment. But the novel was probably more complex and textured than the other two. It certainly held my interest. One more mystery for Max and Oskar to solve (maybe) and then that should be the end of this one. But they've left stuff hanging before and I suspect this will be another instance of that. Interesting that apparently Vienna had a recreation of Venice...or at least part of it. I think it was in what they now call (perhaps did then as well) the Prater district. Not sure if any of that survived.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 21, 2021 8:37:20 GMT -8
Yeah, they finally wrapped up all the threads in Fatal Lies. One was a little coincidental, as was the other. But then the author is free to write himself into or out of any situation regardless of the plausibility. But it all more or less worked.
I get the impression that in Vienna they eat desserts like a main course.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 21, 2021 16:25:11 GMT -8
I would not go quite that far, but it is true that Austria/Vienna has wonderful pastries and other desserts. In fact, it was my experience that the further east one went, the better the desserts got, if that is possible. Budapest had amazing pastries and such. The Viennese and people of the old K & K Empire (Kaiserlich und Koeniglich) took their coffee and pastries seriously. They still do. I can't tell you how many different cakes, strudles and knoedel I have had in Austria. Perhaps the Marillenknoedel was my favorite. But I do love apricots and the apricot schnapps was the best schnapps to my mind.
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