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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 25, 2021 21:11:58 GMT -8
The inspector was correct. These cookies are great and Demel is the best. But it is true that, like Lays Potato Chips, you can't eat just one. These aren't from Vienna, in fact they are from Greece, but they are even better. My wife used to make these at Christmas. Kourabiedes
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 25, 2021 21:48:51 GMT -8
Those Greek things do look good. Let me know when Mrs. Flu makes another batch.
Finished Vienna Secrets and now starting Vienna Twilight.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 11:43:05 GMT -8
Schubert seems to be the artist of the moment in Vienna Twilight. Because of a current patient of Liebermann's, Schubert's Doppelganger is played one night by Max and Oskar.
And it would seem much as in Vienna Secrets, we will get bigger glimpses of Liebermann practicing his Freudian psychology on patients in Vienna Twilight as well.
But back to a summation of the recently-completed Vienna Secrets: It will be interesting to get Mr. Flu's opinion about one incident. You could consider this a very minor spoiler. I'll tell you what happened, now how or if it got resolved.
Dr. Liebermann is called in to the ward to attend a patient who is having an emergency. For various reasons, his regular doctors are not available.
The man is a Catholic (this will matter). He is dying. The intern there (or whatever his title is) probably gave him too large of a dose of morphine so now he's definitely not long for the world. He's into and out of consciousness but relatively relaxed. (Morphine can do that, I guess.)
Anyway, it's clear he's dying. The nurse (I think) calls for a priest. Basically Liebermann physically blocks his way and won't allow the priest to give the patient the last rites because it might distress him.
It's a flimsy plot point, at best, for surely the priest could have given the last rites without even waking the patient.
Anyway, Liebermann faces disciplinary action (and rightly so, to my mind) although Oskar thinks that's an outrage and buys Max's line that he was just doing what was best for the patient. Max said the patient was calm and he didn't want his last moments to be upset by a priest giving him the last rites.
Anyway, however you fall on this issue, it's interesting that there is zero introspection from the author on why Liebermann opposed the patient being given the last rites. Was it latent Jewish hostility toward Catholics? (Probably rightly earned if it was.) Was it Liebermann's secularism sneering at religious sensibilities?
The author comes off way short. We're constantly being bombarded by Freudian second-guessing of people and wondering what elements in the unconscious are motivating them. But the author is suddenly silent regarding this episode. It's frankly a moronic piece of writing in what is otherwise a pretty good book.
It will be interesting to see what Mr. Flu thinks of this if he gets to the book.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 12:26:46 GMT -8
Without reading the book, I can tell you that, at the very least, Liebermann would have been out on his ass had he pulled such a stunt. One must understand the Austrian Empire was thoroughly Catholic, particularly Vienna. It was basically the Hapsburgs who created and financed the Counter-Reformation. To keep a priest from administering the last rites might have even been criminal. Literally. Below was the most popular politician in Vienna around the time which the Tallis books take place. Karl Lueger The upper-classes were much less anti-semitic than the masses, but popular politics was taking hold. As to the medical side of things. One should consider that the large hospitals and clinics were generally connected to the State so Liebermann would not have been facing a committee of a few doctors who owned a private clinic tut-tutting his actions. He would have been facing a group of very well-connected and traditional medicos who were part of the state apparatus. To pull the stunt which the book talks about, Liebermann would have had to be a nut or politician. I've have seen no indication that he was either so I think the author's creation is some type of wet dream of his own. Of course, one can almost always find someone or other who has acted rationally, irrationally, bravely, cowardly, etc, etc. To use or invent such examples is one of the privileges of authorship, even poor authorship.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 12:31:22 GMT -8
You will. Liebermann goes full Freudian sex theory in the book. It gets very f*#king sick.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 12:41:53 GMT -8
Agreed. Although the theme of a couple of the main plots involved (or possibly involved) antisemitism, I understand in a historical context that this would come up, especially when one of the main characters is a Jewish doctor.
That's fine. I'm not a Holocaust denier or pretend that antisemitism wasn't often a barbaric factor. I have no problem with an author stating simple history.
But this episode was another case of what you might call Jewish Victimhood Porn. It was over the top. There was another case of this at the end of Mephisto Waltz which I talked about. It seemed totally out of place.
Of course (spoiler alert for the resolution), Oskar bails him out. Liebermann escaped a narrow 3 to 2 vote of the hospital committee. Oskar had (in the background) kinda-sorta politically bribed the Chairman (who gave the last and tie-breaking vote) by dangling a story line that the Emperor was going to give Liebermann some kind of special award (for the resolution of a recent major case involving a racial element) and thus how would it look if the hospital had dismissed Lieberman in the meantime just for being Jewish?
Well, Oskar is his friend and I have no problem with that kind of blind support. But Oskar didn't even bat an eyelash at Max's actions when talking to him in private. It was a particularly shallow story line in a book that was otherwise fairly enjoyable.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 12:46:53 GMT -8
A devout Catholic would never shrug off such a thing as Liebermann's action. To let someone interfere with a person's last rites would be damning.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 12:47:00 GMT -8
As I said regarding an earlier novel, it was difficult reading the passages of children brutalizing each other. And I do think aspects of Freudianism are sick.
On the other hand, I've lived a sheltered life. There really are some strange people out there with all kinds of fetishes and such. Real psychologists deal with this shit every day. And it must be a monstrous task to interact with these kinds of people. I can see how psychological theories could sort of get sicko in trying to evaluate and treat some of this weird shit. But I'll report back as I get further into this one and see how sick it does get.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 12:50:06 GMT -8
And that's exactly how it was.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 13:13:04 GMT -8
Vienna Twilight:
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 13:19:59 GMT -8
While I love the Austrian desserts, I still prefer the savory dishes. I was not a soup eater until I got to Austria. Here is one of my favorites, which a friend's mother would sometimes cook for us. Leberknoedel Suppe. One might thing liver dumplings would be heavy, but hers was as light as air. Wanda's roast pork and dumplings might have looked something like this. I love red cabbage as well. Can you imagine, every time I visited my friend's home, his mother would cook lunch which included soup, main course and dessert. When I was really lucky, she would cook lunch and supper. Her Goulash was out of this world! Mrs. Flu was lucky enough to have it once almost 35 years ago and she still raves about it. “Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive , But to be young, hungry and skinny with a friend's mother who loved to cook, was very heaven.”
With apologies to Wordsworth.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 13:46:14 GMT -8
This is what we would have when another student and I had a bit of spare money while studying in Vienna. There was a pub about 50-100 yards up the road from the dorm in which I lived and it served this to us unfortunates. It was cheap and could feed two hungry students. Heaven with a small glass of beer or "gespritzter" (half white wine and half seltzer water.) Bauernschmaus.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 13:55:01 GMT -8
That's a full meal right there. There can't be many skinny Austrians.
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Post by artraveler on Dec 26, 2021 13:58:22 GMT -8
Ok, just load me up with a plate full of these wonderful Vienna treats and watch me go from a reasonably trim 220 to 250 overnight. They certainly know how to turn flour, sugar and butter into scrumptious.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 14:02:42 GMT -8
Can you imagine what a delight that was for a couple of "Poor" students to split? I knew one guy who existed on eggs and semmel for something like six weeks.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 14:12:33 GMT -8
My uncle, who died just last week, spent a few years working in Germany. I believe he was a government accountant. He would send us cuckoo clocks and things like that. And we'd get stories of German food here and there. But there is probably nothing like living it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 14:15:52 GMT -8
They did finally have a fairly detailed description of dinner fare in the previous book I read. I already returned it. But it was notable if only because most of the food descriptions center around desserts and coffee.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 14:19:31 GMT -8
There isn't. And this is one point the psycho in Vienna Twilight gets. Words are often simply unable to convey things which happen to us.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 26, 2021 14:25:38 GMT -8
I have to admit that Tallis' emphasis on desserts and coffee wears a bit thin. While it is nice to read about the many wonderful desserts available in the Austrian kitchen, he over does it, in my opinion. It becomes simply silly. The idea itself becomes a caricature. I have eaten plenty of Austrian desserts and drunk plenty of Austrian coffee and neither became caricatures.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2021 14:37:11 GMT -8
He perhaps needed to branch out a little. I suspect he is writing about something that he knows very well. Maybe that sort of thing. And sweets are definitely sexier than a hunk of meat.
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