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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 9:56:47 GMT -8
There was mention of Bach's English Suites in Vienna Twilight. Ms. Lydgate was feeling the need to learn more about music, especially while residing in Vienna. Max volunteered to take her to a piano recital at the Bösendorfer-Saal where J.S. Bach's English Suites would be performed. I'm struggling with liking Bach. Given his popularity I have to figure the fault lies within me. So I found this on Apple Music: Bach: English Suites, BWV 806-811 - French Suites, BWV 812-817 - Overture in the French Style, BWV 831. This consists of 97 songs on 4 discs. (The "disc" making little physical sense in the realm of streaming media, but that's how it was listed in Apple Music.) And I liked it. I made it through. I'm guessing that Bach (at least for me) presents itself better on piano than violin.
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Post by artraveler on Dec 27, 2021 11:54:01 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 11:59:19 GMT -8
LOL. I don't see why not. I'll queue up some Handel Water Music...just as soon as I am done with Johann Strauss II: Waltzes, Polkas, Czardas Marches - Clemens Kraus & Vienna Philharmonic. I can practically smell the baked Vienna pastries.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 12:20:45 GMT -8
Handel was a contemporary of Bach, and just as talented. The difference was that Handel was friendlier to melody than Johann Sebastian was.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 12:31:04 GMT -8
Which, as Liebermann knew, had nothing to do with England, but it gave him an excuse to invite the young English lady.
Virtually everything presents itself better on piano than violin. By its very nature, the violin is somewhat whinny. I have heard a number of the world's "best" violinists play and not all can bring out the smooth mellow sound which can be produced on the instrument. As I recall, Eugene Fodor was one who could.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 12:31:39 GMT -8
Liebermann supposed (probably correctly) that the more OCD-like (mechanical? highly organized?) music of J.S. Bach would appeal to Lydgate's OCD-like scientific brain. I'll queue some Handel up in the near future.
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After Strauss' waltzes are done, playing next is Handel: Water Music: The English Concert & Trevor Pinnock. The blurb on Apple Music praises this highly as "set a new gold standard for both technique and musicianship. These historically-informed performances make Handel's most familiar works sparkle as if they were brand new..."
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Post by artraveler on Dec 27, 2021 12:50:42 GMT -8
Virtually everything presents itself better on piano than violin It is easier if you think of the piano as an 88 string guitar.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 13:02:41 GMT -8
I have a number of albums bookmarked on Apple Music by Hillary Hahn, including an album of Bach violin concertos. Also of note is Angele Dubeau who (with La Pieta) have a wonderful album called "Infernal Violins."
Rachel Podger also does some nice bow work on a few albums.
But as I've commented before, some of Bach's violin stuff has me thinking of lumberjacks. He seemed to want to saw the violin in half.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 15:21:16 GMT -8
I liked Handel's Water Music. Any other suggestions? Maybe something suiting 25 degree weather and packed ice on the roads?
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 15:48:24 GMT -8
Here is the most famous bit of his most famous music, "The Messiah." This is traditionally performed at Christmas time every year around the world. My college choir performed it once while I was there. I would be in the first tenors. The piece gives me the tingles. I listened to a couple of renditions, and found the tempo of this one to be best. The Messiah
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Post by artraveler on Dec 27, 2021 16:33:47 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 16:48:41 GMT -8
In one of the books it mentions The Messiah. The very first performance may have been in Ireland. But when performed in England for the first time, the King rose to his feet during the hallelujah chorus…as one would stand when a greater has entered the room. Apparently this has been a tradition ever since.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 16:58:10 GMT -8
I recognize Mendelssohn’s superior sense of musicality. This is a stunning performance that defies gravity. The music is good as well.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 17:19:42 GMT -8
There's a nice scene where Oskar and Max are at the opera (Tristan and Isolde) and Oskar has brought some very expensive pralines into their box. One can imagine they might have looked like this: There was also mention of a plum flan. "...a slab of moist pastry covered in crescents of purple fruit and sprinkled with icing sugar." Perhaps it looked something like this: Overall, Vienna Twilight was a decent enough book. You certainly are immersed in Freudian psychology. The author gives psychoanalysis more than the benefit of the doubt. And by the end of this fifth book, Max has turned into a kind of Freudian superhero savant, able to leap tall buildings in a single analysis. It got to be a bit much at times. But despite the weirdness of some of this, the story lines were interesting to follow.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 18:21:31 GMT -8
While I was studying in Vienna, a friend's father worked for Julius Meinl, the company which I believe made those pralines and much else, especially coffee, in the food industry. He occasionally got us cheap tickets to concerts because he had some connection with supplying goods to the various music venues. They all served coffee, wine, sekt and snacks of some sort during intermission.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 18:32:44 GMT -8
On the other hand, Rheinhardt might have gone directly to the Konditorei in Vienna and bought his pralines individually. The place would look something like this. or these But never such a small box.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 18:42:28 GMT -8
But they didn't see that the dress maker's friend's murder was very much different from the others. They assumed it was part of the series. I thought this pretty weak.
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Post by kungfuzu on Dec 27, 2021 18:53:42 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 19:32:32 GMT -8
Wow. Such amazing confectionery. In the story, Oskar said he bought the pralines at the theatre they were at. He noted they were enormously expensive but extremely good.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 27, 2021 19:36:20 GMT -8
I was kind of going with the flow at that point and didn’t think about it. It was a weird murder. I kept thinking (upon its resolution) that this would have been a good one for Columbo.
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