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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 3, 2020 8:24:37 GMT -8
Could you point me to the GoFundMe page for that, Mr. Kung? |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 3, 2020 8:26:48 GMT -8
Very interesting, Mr. Artler. One could put that in the category of “strange bedfellows.”
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Post by artraveler on Jan 3, 2020 9:07:35 GMT -8
One could put that in the category of “strange bedfellows.” Yes it is, we can work with the Arabs, we can go to war with them as allies, but we can never trust the Arabs. Remember the old Arab proverb, "the enemy of my enemy, is my friend." |
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 3, 2020 10:52:03 GMT -8
Interesting analysis on the recent situation in the Middle East.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 3, 2020 11:17:04 GMT -8
Yes. An interesting article, Mr. Kung. Here's Doha base which the article talked about. Port of KhargThe relative position of both can bee seen in this view. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 3, 2020 11:22:36 GMT -8
The comments to article seem anti-Semitic and ugly. I think Trump did the right thing from what I can see.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 3, 2020 11:25:01 GMT -8
Persia as such is a declining power. Its strategic position, as I have argued in the past, resembles France on the eve of the First World War. I like David Goldman and I respect his opinions. Sometimes he is even right, but sadly, this is not the case today. Iran more closely resembles France in 1939. The demographic young warrior bulge has past, birthrates are coming down even in the rural areas. Just like France in the inner war period. The replacement of the millions dead from WW I was a hole leading to defensive thinking and one you go to the bunkers you can never go on the offense again. Iran has the capacity to cause trouble throughout the region but real war is not in the future. All we need do is not engage them on the open battlefield. We could, with relative ease, destroy them in a face-to-face fight, but why not let the sanctions and restrictions work on the economy? In the meantime we can play wack-a-troglodyte from hell as necessary. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 3, 2020 11:30:26 GMT -8
The real danger is Iran getting their hands on a bomb that they could deliver in EMP fashion.
Given that (from what I understand) the Iranian regime is a suicidal zealous death cult, it’s hard not seeing them escalate and thus get an another escalated response from Trump. That might be the best way to go and lance this boil once and for all.
No one every imagined “The Art of the Deal” included cruise missiles and stealth bombers. But if so, whatever works.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 3, 2020 11:36:24 GMT -8
The author Spengler is an American Jew named David Goldman who I believe has lived in Asia for years. He is somehow connected to the finance business.
I always read the comments as they are generally anti-American and anti-Israel. The same people show up spewing (mainly) Red Chinese propaganda. Of course, since Goldman is Jewish, his articles attract the usual anti-Semites one encounters on the web.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 3, 2020 12:22:26 GMT -8
The important thing Trump accomplished is to make Iran realize that attacking American can have severe repercussions, unlike under the Black God. They will have to consider this in deciding how to respond. If they can hurt America without killing anyone, it might work. But if they kill any of our people, all bets are now off.
Leftists refuse to accept this. Indeed, they don't even like admitting that Soleimani was even a monster, since that raises the possibility that the strike was a good idea. (This is the same reason leftists never consider the costs of their proposals. The moment you consider costs as well as benefits, their ideas might not be so good after all -- and that thought is unacceptable.) Most Demagogues, including Blonde Squaw With Empty Head, tried to have it both ways -- Soleimani was indeed bad (no one wants to defend an Iranian terrorist, probably not even the Black God and his foreign policy mentor, Valerie Jarrett), but attacking him was risky. (Chris Murphy even complained about the lack of congressional approval even though it took place in Iraq and was a direct response to Iranian proxy attacks coordinated by Soleimani against the embassy -- sovereign American territory in international law. We already have the right to act there.)
But not Bernie Bro. He just condemned Trump without the pro forma condemnation of Soleimani. And a lot of leftists are very unhappy -- not at Bernie Bro for refusing to condemn a terrorist, but at the Blonde Squaw for having done so. Naturally she backed up, thereby getting the worst of both worlds. (She seems to have the political instincts of the Fire Witch.) The link is:
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Post by artraveler on Jan 3, 2020 12:45:14 GMT -8
No one every imagined “The Art of the Deal” included cruise missiles and stealth bombers. But if so, whatever works. If you understand the American people, most leftists don't, than you know exactly where Trump is coming from. The Gadsen Flag says it best "Don't tread on me". TR would be proud. The very same attitude that took out the killer at the Church of Christ last week. I think the world is getting a second look at how American power is utilized and for our enemies they should be peeing their collective diapers. I don't see Trump holding back if any country should dare something like 9-11 again. They have to start thinking he's coming after them with everything in the inventory, because he will. |
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Post by timothylane on Jan 3, 2020 13:28:14 GMT -8
Babylon Bee (babylonbee.com) had a piece reporting that Trump unleased Jack Wilson (who stopped the attack) on the terrorists, which led them to surrender rather than face his righteous wrath. The link is:
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 3, 2020 13:57:43 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 4, 2020 8:57:24 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see Trump’s response after 9/11. He doesn’t seem to have the naive “nation-building” delusions of Bush, nor the desire to make friends with some really nasty people (Obama, Hillary).
I think the entire nation-building exercise in Iraq was a waste of lives and money. The same in Afghanistan. If they want to live like beasts, that’s up to them. But if they attack us, hit them hard and then be gone. Repeat as necessary. But do not put forces on the ground.
And the backdrop to all this — make yourself energy-independent so you don’t get wrapped up in the internal politics of the beastly nations where Islam predominates.
And if someone in the meantime can come up with a fool-proof formula for transforming these backward places into the modern world, send Greta Thunberg in there and see if a thick cloud of good intentions can get it done. Maybe it can.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 4, 2020 9:45:42 GMT -8
That's why we have an Air Force (and Navy and Marine air as well). They exist to protect us from threats in the air -- and to retaliate against troublemakers when full-scale war is undesirable (as is usually the case).
It's an irony that this situation is the opposite of what Robert Heinlein anticipated in Starship Troopers. Like so many people in that era, he assumed that bombing someone would be all-out nuclear war, so he saw raids as a way of harming the enemy short of that. Today it's really the reverse.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2020 10:27:39 GMT -8
As I recall, Iran has some fundamental demographic problems. The various non-Persian minorities are growing faster than the Persians and there is apparently a huge problem with VD, much of which is left untreated due to the strict religious laws in place. This has led to a large increase in infertility in the population.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2020 11:09:48 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2020 13:24:56 GMT -8
Breitbart had a piece in which the following paragraph appeared:
Intelligence revealed the time had come for Soleimani’s demise as recent intelligence indicated he had just arrived in Iraq to lead a coup, arrest the president, and take over the U.S. embassy. Just like Trump asserted there would be no repeat of Benghazi in Baghdad, by taking out Soleimani he was also making it clear there would be no repeat of the 1979 hostage crisis.
If this is true, Trump had absolutely no choice but to eradicate Soleimani and friends from the face of the earth. He was not going to be another Jimmy Carter and let the USA be humiliated and held hostage. Furthermore, Khameni will know that Trump has this bit of intelligence. That will make the ayatollah very uncomfortable because Trump does not act like the Obush duo. An American president who loves the USA will see such intelligence as a reason to start dismantling the Twelver regime. Trump is such a president.
By the way, Trump has made a number of approaches to Iran, both publicly and through Switzerland, suggesting the two countries sit down and talk. Iran has mocked these proposals. You can be sure Trump takes the official Iranian response into consideration and has started to reply in a commensurate manner.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 4, 2020 16:16:50 GMT -8
Iran is threatening to hit American interests and says that they are considering thirty-something different locations. Here is Trump's response. You gotta love himI am reminded of the late 1960s and early 1970s when people would complain to me about Nixon being a crook. I would respond, "Who do you think is running the world, saints? I want our crook to be as tough and mean as their crooks." The idiot Jimmy Carter proved my point. I have a similar feeling about Trump. He understands the mullahs "ain't playin' beanbag" and is willing to play their game with them. About damn time too. |
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Post by timothylane on Jan 4, 2020 17:20:50 GMT -8
That link led me right back here, so something presumably went wrong. I just read an article reporting that Trump has a list of 52 targets (one for each of the 1979 hostages, a very Trumpian choice) to obliterate if Iran hits an American target. And now they know he means it. I suspect you were trying to link to that or some very similar article.
One blog posting noted how much nuclear power a single Ohio submarine has compared to the Hiroshima bomb. There are probably good reasons not to do that, but Iran doesn't have to know that. It's always good to have such an option available, at least as a credible threat.
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