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Feb 26, 2022 13:54:56 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 26, 2022 13:54:56 GMT -8
Could you clarify what you are specifically referring to?
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Feb 26, 2022 17:32:03 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 26, 2022 17:32:03 GMT -8
This may be the worst case of shooting oneself in the foot with sanctions against another. SWIFTCutting Russia from the SWIFT system will, I believe, speed the demise of the US$ as the world currency. Our status as the world's reserve currency has been as determinative for the maintenance of American power as has our military. Putin, Russia, China and India (at a minimum) are prepared for this. Cutting Russia from SWIFT will, perforce, create (at the minimum) a two polar financial world. This will decrease the amount of money flowing through the Globalist financial centers of New York, London and Frankfurt. To my mind, this will have a tremendously negative effect on the Globalist World Economic Forum's plan to take over the world economically. Short term, Americans are now guaranteed much higher energy prices. Europeans will likely have much of their energy turned off. Although Russian gas is still flowing to Europe through the pipes beneath Ukrainian soil, I don't know how much longer this can last. Germany gets 57% of its natural gas from Russia. The USA, and the EU, have been living in a type of Never-Never-Land since the fall of the Soviet Union. The screed which announced this was Francis Fukayama's idiotic essay, expanded to a book, "The End of History." Sadly, too many fools and ignoramuses believed him. The Globalists and their march to the New World Order seemed to. They tried to take humanity, most of whom knew better that to believe in a dream, with them. Putin has rudely announced a return to reality and the old multi-polar world of history. We can see the results of our elites denying reality by the tremendous decline in American power, prestige and honor. We push insane policies on economics, sex, racism and feminism and we expect the world to accept them as gospel. We ignore geography, history and culture and demand the rest of the world to do the same. On the one hand, we have the fools in government. On the other Putin. Our fools are like some young kid ordering fried chicken at KFC who doesn't have the slightest idea of what a chicken looks like. He wonders if it has batter for skin. Putin is the guy who owns the chicken farm and slaughter house. That young kid is about to learn what really goes on behind that eight piece fried chicken dinner. Why did we let it come to this? Perhaps our people have been living in virtual reality too long to remember what the real thing is like.
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Feb 26, 2022 20:24:44 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 26, 2022 20:24:44 GMT -8
"The first casualty when war comes, is the truth." -U.S. Senator Hiram Warren Johnson 1918 Here are a few of the pieces of pro-Ukrainian propaganda which we immediately heard from our media. Don't look at that man behind the curtain Even our government is trying to sell bullshit that "strategic success" doesn't have to do with conquering territory. Don't believe your lying eyes I am not saying support Putin and Russia. I am saying do not fall for this garbage propaganda which is trying to get the USA involved in a conflict which is not our business. The other purpose of this thing has already been accomplished. Attention has been taken off the criminal bungling of the KFF fraud. Just as people seem to be waking up to the fraud, along comes an "existential" enemy for the U.S. Whoopie! Let's get behind Biden for apple pie, motherhood and the American Way. It would be disgusting if it weren't so mendacious and dangerous. Again, the billionaires will gain, but the "little people" will end up paying big time. For example, I just heard a Brit say that he received notice from his electrical utility that his cost for power is going up 54% starting his next bill. As Churchill said, people never learn from history.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 26, 2022 20:51:39 GMT -8
The Conservative Tree House has an interesting piece which expands on my belief that our government has gone some way in provoking this situation. Hint: It was not done for the good of the US of A. Biden is run by the most fanatical Obamites I think I'll call this group Osodomites.
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Feb 27, 2022 13:30:56 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Feb 27, 2022 13:30:56 GMT -8
Good article on Vlad and his possible fall. Putin's invasion of Ukraine, however, demonstrates a colossal lack of judgment that reveals him to be more like Nicholas II than Peter the Great. Recent news reports show that the supposedly mighty Russian Army, including its massive helicopters and state-of-the-art tanks, are making limited headway against Ukraine's numerically inferior forces. Even if Russian numbers eventually prevail, this fiasco has already told the world that the supposedly mighty Russian Bear is far weaker than he wants the world to knowwww.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/02/when_big_vlad_hits_the_floor.html
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Feb 27, 2022 15:25:13 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 27, 2022 15:25:13 GMT -8
It is not possible to know exactly what is happening, but I think there is a huge amount of disinformation being cranked out from the "pro-Ukrainian" side. Already on Friday, I heard that the Russian forces are moving very cautiously in the Ukraine in order to minimize harm to civilians and infrastructure. I have watched video of a couple of different people, I believe they were Americans from the way they spoke, who live in the Ukraine and their reports are very different from what we are hearing. One of these guys lives in Kharkov, but is stuck in a Kiev hotel. He is able to communicate with his family and friends around the Ukraine because the communications infrastructure has not been destroyed. As a result, he is able to get numerous other eye-witness reports of what is actually happening in the Ukraine. Most of what he is hearing appears to be from the Eastern half of the Ukraine. He says that the Russian military has surrounded Kharkov and it is expected that it will be in the center of the city in 48-72 hours. He also reported that people expect the Russian military to reach Dnipro on the Dnieper river in the next couple of days. These are the second and third largest cities, respectively, in the Ukraine. It is reported that the Russians are using old weapons and "green"troops, as well as the militias from the Donbas region to spearhead this invasion. I don't know if this is true or not, but it would make perfect sense to let the militias take the casualties and hold the elite troops for a time they might be required. To those who question the reports on the use of old weapons, just recall that the USA used old ordinance from the Vietnam War during the Gulf War. In fact, something less than 10% of bombs dropped on Iraq were "precision-guided." It appears the Russian military is encircling towns and cities and cutting them off from outside help. It sounds something like the old siege method used throughout history. It appears that the Russians are trying to avoid civilian deaths and that they don't want to destroy the Ukrainian military so much as co-opt it. Much of the nonsense we hear about the great Ukrainian air forces racking up great victories can only be lies. In the first day of the invasion, the Russians apparently destroyed over 70 military bases and ammo dumps. They wiped out the vast majority of Ukrainian armor. They have either taken over Ukrainian airports or are fighting to take them over. As such, Ukrainian planes are not taking off and landing from these airports. This information is from Ukrainians and others inside the Ukraine. So I find it reasonable to believe it is more accurate than the garbage I am seeing in the British and American media. Here is an excellent piece on what is happening in the Ukraine and why. Quite different from the propaganda Americans, and others, are hearing on a constant basis. As I mentioned to a German friend last week, Europe is going to lose the most from this conflict. He agreed. Europe is screwed
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Feb 27, 2022 17:57:05 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Feb 27, 2022 17:57:05 GMT -8
I think there is a huge amount of disinformation being cranked out from the "pro-Ukrainian" side. I think there is a case for this and surely there is equal disinformation by the Russians. However, even in this fog it is evident that the Russians have found Ukraine a tougher nut than expected. Does that mean Ukraine is winning? Yes, and no. Delaying the Russians allows the Ukraine to lobby for, and get, vital supplies. Germany has just lifted their ban of war materials. Russia has not yet committed all their available forces but they surely will ultimately overwhelm the amateur forces of Ukraine. However, it may end up a Pyrrhic victory as the cost will degrade the fighting ability of Putin's army. Morale is a fleeting thing and a tough battle to overwhelm what should be an easy opponent can kill morale making the army useless. To prevent this loss of morale Putin must cast the army into the light of hero overcoming a relentless foe. I don't see any way for Putin to do that without being laughed out of the Kremlin. After all it was not Ukraine that invaded Russia. When Russia is successful there is going to be a partisan effort to throw the Russians out. It will be funded and supported by NATO and will generate enough disruption to keep the pot boiling. I see Russia losing as many troops in the first year of occupation as they lose to take the major cities. Not one Moscow is going to think this was a great idea.
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Feb 27, 2022 19:06:23 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 27, 2022 19:06:23 GMT -8
I believe the first thing I wrote upon Russia's invasion was "truth is the first casualty of war," so I am sure the Ruskies are spreading there own disinformation. However, I have not seen anything positive about the Russian invasion on any major media outlet. So if the Russians are spreading disinformation about their military prowess, it is not getting through to the public in the West.
In fact, given the ridiculous propaganda being spread by our media about this war, one would think American soldiers were in the fight. I am sure this is what our corrupt media and politicians want people to feel, but I pray we never send troops into the Ukraine. It is not our fight. I am pretty sure those who expect Putin to be deposed or something like that will be disappointed. I seriously doubt Putin ordered this invasion without deep-seated support from the elites in Russia, particularly the military. Russia lost something like 15,000 troops in Chechnya and Putin survived. In the overall scheme of things, the Ukraine is much more important to Russia than Chechnya. Furthermore, you can be sure that the Russians have a very good understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of the Ukrainian military. No doubt, some of the top commanders or just retired commanders went to Soviet military academies with their Russian counterparts. We had better be careful what we wish for. Stirring up trouble via surrogates is a two way street. Working with China, Russia could create a lot of problems for the West across the world. The old Cold Warriors knew and experienced this. Our present Western leaders, maybe not so much.
I have not seen much support for the Ukraine outside of the USA and the EU. Surprisingly, even Israel has not said a word to condemn the invasion. Brazil, China, India, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Pakistan and all of Southeast Asia appear to be staying neutral.
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Feb 27, 2022 20:08:15 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Feb 27, 2022 20:08:15 GMT -8
Russia lost something like 15,000 troops in Chechnya and Putin survived. All you say is a possibility, however the Chechnya War was over 20 years ago. It was a different Russia and a different Putin. Chechnya was viewed by Russians are a rebellion within the Russian state while Ukraine is known to be an independent state albeit with a sizable Russian population. I don't doubt Putin's ability to exert control of his elites until it becomes stupid for them to support him. The Byzantine politics of the Kremlin can be very confusing even for expert analysis. So it just supposition trying to understand the process. The puzzling thing is that Putin was defiantly winning before invasion. He had NATO jumping through hoops and divided. Invading was the one thing he really did not need to do. He could have struck some sort of deal with Ukraine and never fired a shot. Invading throws an uncertain element into the mix that a practical leader would not take unless he could see a greater reward with the expense of blood and treasure. I don't see a gain that allows Putin to claim a greater victory with war than he could have had without war. Time will tell. According to Time of Israel they are sending over 100 tons of humanitarian supplies to Ukraine and Bennett has offered to host talks for a cease fire. Needless to say the silence from Moslem countries is crickets.
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Feb 27, 2022 20:22:22 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 27, 2022 20:22:22 GMT -8
Many believe that the complete lack of a response by Western leaders to Zelensky's statement is what convinced Putin to commence the invasion. I can't understand the stupidity of all involved in this. Make- Believe aside, one cannot simply continue to tweek a much stronger neighboring country and expect to get away with it for ever. Ukraine may pursue nukes 100% agree. I still have some of my old political science texts on the workings of both the Soviet and Red Chinese government structures. These made clear that what was truly known was minimal and everyone was making a lot of conjectures on how things worked.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 27, 2022 20:39:50 GMT -8
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Post by artraveler on Feb 27, 2022 20:52:48 GMT -8
War is always the result of people making stupid mistakes. And then adding to them by refusing to admit the mistake.
Fox is reporting that Ukraine is claiming 4,000 Russian KIA. While that seems an extreme number, half of that I could easily believe. Initial reports are the invasion force was about 100,000 so 2,000 KIA represents 2% loss. There are no reports on WIA for the Russians but if you take a 3-1 ratio that make total casualties to somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-8,000, a figure I could believe until better information comes up. This in 5 days of combat should have the Russian general staff very concerned, even if they don't say anything.
If the reports are true and there are 4,000 KIA that equates to 12,000 WIA and total casualties of 16,000 a 16% figure over 5 days. If that continues the Russians are going to need a lot of body bags.
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Feb 27, 2022 21:17:51 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 27, 2022 21:17:51 GMT -8
I don't believe anything I hear from the MSM. We at R & T have called out the media and government for continuously lying to us over the last two years about the KFF.
They have lied to us about the origins of the KFF.
They have lied to us about about the length of the shut downs.
They have lied about the efficacy of masks.
They have lied to us about the virulence of the KFF.
They have lied to us about the funding of research into the creation of "enhanced" viruses.
They have lied to us about the number of actual deaths from the KFF.
They have lied to us about therapeutics which work against the KFF.
Based on these and other lies, the government has forced experimental gene therapy (which they also lied by calling it a vaccine) on millions of Americans.
They have lied to us about the efficacy of the "vaccine."
They lie about the number of "adverse" events resulting from this vaccine.
If I thought a little while longer, I could recall more of their lies touching on the KFF. I won't even start to get into their lies regarding other subjects like girls will be boys and boys will be girls.
All of the above proves that the government, MSM and health bureaucracy are fine with thousands of Americans dying because of their lies. And I am supposed to believe what they are spewing out about the number of deaths in the Ukraine and of Russia soldiers? I think not.
I certainly don't believe numbers being put out by the Ukraine or Russia either, but the Western Globalists are, at present, some of the biggest liars in the world; on par with the CCP.
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Feb 28, 2022 5:17:58 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Feb 28, 2022 5:17:58 GMT -8
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Feb 28, 2022 9:09:37 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 28, 2022 9:09:37 GMT -8
This link is to a longish piece by Glenn Greenwald. He builds on what I have been warning from the beginning of the Ukraina/Russia conflict.... Everything we are hearing is tinged with propaganda and reason is being thrown out the window, which is dangerous. We are being drawn into a conflict that is not ours. Already that scumbag war monger Adam Kinzinger is pushing for NATO to create a "no-fly"zone over the Ukraine. This would be an act of war against Russia. Greenwald's article closes with this.
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Feb 28, 2022 9:28:02 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 28, 2022 9:28:02 GMT -8
The piece's content is a very good argument for staying out of this mess in the Ukraine. The writer states very clearly that he has no idea about the Ukraine, Russia and what is happening now. This pretty much typifies the average American's position on anything to do with foreign policy, i.e. it is the three monkey's stance, hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil. This being the case, we should finally learn to keep our noses out of areas about which we have zero understanding. But the military-media-security-state-financial-foreign-policy-industrial complex will do everything it can to keep Americans stirred up, fearful and angry, in order to further its own ends, of which the two most important are to keep power and make money.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 28, 2022 9:45:22 GMT -8
An excellent piece by Victor Davis Hanson on America, the Ukraine, Russia, China and how we got to this point. The Crowded Road to Kyiv I still call it Kiev.
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Post by artraveler on Feb 28, 2022 10:29:44 GMT -8
As we have discussed this is not a problem just reserved for Biden or even Trump. It is the result of 30 years of failure to do realpolitik by Republicans and Democrats. There is not going to be an easy solution or an appeasement treaty. It has global consequences for millions and there is a good chance millions are going to die.
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Feb 28, 2022 13:40:34 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Feb 28, 2022 13:40:34 GMT -8
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Feb 28, 2022 14:49:36 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on Feb 28, 2022 14:49:36 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is suggesting that this is a battle Ukraine will win. Russian arms, even if less skilled than believed, have the equipment, logistics and the firepower to ultimately overcome Ukrainian resistance. What seems evident is Ukraine has proven to be tougher to overwhelm than anticipated. There is going to be a resistance partisan effort to throw the Russians out. A year from now is going to be the real test of Russian resolve.
I think Putin is expecting Europe to give up once Russia has control of Ukraine. And, frankly expecting Europe to have some balls is a fantasy. However, the Eastern Europe countries have personal experience within one lifetime with Russia/Soviet compassion. We will have to see what happens, but this will not be over when Russian forces are on the steps of the Presidential palace in Kiev.
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