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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 18, 2021 7:17:35 GMT -8
Every Sunday night at 9:30 p.m., KING FM (Seattle) broadcasts the Compline service from St. Mark’s Cathedral which includes Gregorian chant and more. You can listen to a podcast of it. I usually listen in live. KING plays some appropriate music before and then some organ music after. Not actually being Catholic, I appreciate the ceremony and the music. They had a special broadcast because this was some major anniversary of the broadcast which has been going on for almost 50 years. They interviewed one of the Compline Choir members. He spoke of how “interfaith” the Compline service was and how it attracted a “diversity” of people. Okay, fine. After all, I listen to it and I’m not Catholic. But then I just about fell out of my chair when he said something like, “The choir itself is made up of a mixture of faiths and believers. I myself am not a faith person.” Wh-wh-what? I can understand Catholics wanting to reach out to non-believers. After all, that is part of their task, to convert heathens to the faith. But what I don’t understand is why an atheist would want to (in my mind) despoil such a sacred service if one is an atheist. What they heck are you doing there? The fellow explained this aspect in glowing words by saying that what counts is “participation.”
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 19, 2021 5:08:46 GMT -8
Sounds like an idiot to me.
That said, as a college student, I was paid to sing in an Episcopalian Church choir on Sundays. They didn't have a proper lyric tenor so I was employed. Having been raised in the Church of Christ, attending Episcopalian services was new for me. I remember the vicar as being a very nice man.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 19, 2021 6:55:51 GMT -8
Yeah, but you didn’t go home and smear chicken blood on the walls and worship a pentagram. You were (I assume at the time) a believer. I’m just trying to wrap my mind around someone who would attend such a sacred ceremony (and one that speaks openly of the dangerous influence of the devil) and yet is an atheist.
This is Seattle, so no real surprise there. Still.
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 19, 2021 7:09:10 GMT -8
True enough. I even took communion there from a chalice while kneeling in front of the altar, which was new for me. In the Church of Christ, the Lord's Supper (as we called it) was taken while sitting in pews and trays of matzoh and grape juice were passed around.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 30, 2021 7:23:46 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Oct 30, 2021 17:56:37 GMT -8
While there is always hope, I believe the Catholic Church, as it presently exists, is pretty much beyond repair. That said, there is some hope of revival if it sheds itself of the millions who use it as a social club. A core of believers who understood what the Church's tenets are, and stuck to them, might bring about a miracle.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Oct 30, 2021 18:58:30 GMT -8
Although I find the Foundation series of books (so far) readable, but not outstanding, the core theme is the slow dilapidation of the empire. "Psychohistory" is supposedly the magic science that will either stop the ongoing corruption of the empire or at least soften the blow so that there is only a couple centuries of darkness, not a couple thousand years.
We see our own societies disintegrating as they are corrupted. The Church, whatever its prior faults and strengths, has not been up to the challenge of embracing, protecting, and espousing their core beliefs. Much of the Church seems to have devolved to, as you said, a social club.
It's difficult to imagine what can turn the tide. Good men are simply apologizing for the fall, not acknowledging or correcting it. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. We are seeing that being played out everywhere today.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 13, 2021 7:30:28 GMT -8
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Post by kungfuzu on Nov 13, 2021 13:45:44 GMT -8
A good article, but the advice the man gives is basically the same type of advice our parents and grandparents used to give us. "Love God, be honest, kind to others, say your prayers and work hard. Live your life as if it were an example for others because it is."
That this is seen as something new and radical is a sign of just how ignorant we have become and low we have sunk.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 13, 2021 14:07:17 GMT -8
Pretty much, yeah.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 28, 2021 10:11:19 GMT -8
I listened to part of a podcast at The American Conservative regarding Boomers and religion. In it, Rod mentioned a book titled Strange Rites. I neither ask you to listen to the podcast nor read the book, although I did read (skim, really) a few pages of the Kindle sample. The book starts out weird. It seems more of a self confession about the author partaking in some weird nightclub scenes in New York City. There was a LOT of this preamble before even venturing an opinion about it, which led me to believe this part of the book was more of a confession than anything. Long story short: There is a lot of weird shit going on out there. Most of us are not aware of it. Is much of this stuff a replacement for religion? Probably. But reading the Kindle reviews of the book, apparently there was no mention by the author about environmentalism as a religion, so that really turned me off about this book. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Still, my conclusion isn't so much that TIALOWSGOOT (there is a lot of weird shit going on out there). It's the ascendancy of the soft, chaotic, undisciplined mind, even amongst those who purport to explain WRWTW (what's wrong with the world). I've seen and read stuff online you wouldn't believe (well....you probably would). I read not only articles but the comments to articles and so I think that gives me some idea of what people are thinking. And "thinking" is a kind word for it. To me, people have been programmed with a thin gruel of atheistic market-materialism. They don a superior mask of dismissive cynicism regarding anything and everything (except, strangely, mask-wearing). A lot of really smart people know that everything except what they believe is bullshit. So "social cohesion" is almost non-existent. The gist of the book (as far as I can tell) is that everyone is pursuing their own me-based "religion" with no reference to God or deep metaphysics. I don't doubt that aspect of it, for hasn't much of Christianity laid aside God and replaced Him with "social justice" and all kinds of political Marxist-based concerns? On the other hand, the ubiquity of compliance to masks and the incoherent "social distancing" mandates and such does suggest there is a certain kind of social cohesion out there, one perhaps not yet explained by the experts if only because, like Madge's Palmolive customer, they're soaking in it. Kind of a ramble here, I know. But what do you think?
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Post by artraveler on Nov 28, 2021 14:01:47 GMT -8
I can't persuade myself that the boomer generation is responsible for the lack of religious influence in our public schools. As there is ample religious practice in public education today. What has changed is the religion. Until the 60s religion in America was more or less public Judaeo/Christian practice. The original colonies were founded on different religious practice. New England largely Protestant, the middle colonies Catholic like Maryland or Quaker like Pennsylvania and large patches of the South Baptist with a smattering of Jews in all.
The religious practice in public schools centers on a core belief that an all-powerful, all compassionate, all seeing entity exists to provide for every persons needs. That entity is, of course, government. The more government fails to provide, the more faith in government increases. It is wishful thinking that has stripped traditional religion from our public places, but it is not solely a boomer generation creation. The boomer generation because it is so large has influence beyond what could be expected, and the media has bought into an extraordinary influence.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Nov 28, 2021 14:43:41 GMT -8
What a great post, Artler.
We know that for many women, government is the substitute authority and provider.
We know that for many "people of color," government is considered a provider and protector.
And forget speculation and trying to corral all the sub-groups into explanatory categories. The mindless compliance to masks and all the garbage surrounding the Wuhan flu is clear evidence that the highest authority for nearly all is government. The government "expert" has replaced the authority of the priest.
Another aspect of that is that material concerns (ironic, since the material needs of most are met like never before) trump our spiritual needs. Or, another way of saying it, is that our "spiritual" needs are just materialism/consumerism dressed up in stained glass and rosary beads (or pot, or environmentalism, or atheism, etc.)
Never before in my lifetime have I had to look to old books or movies to find evidence and examples of a better, more noble life. I can't look to my neighbors. Oh, they may drive a nice car. But I don't view them as fellow travelers who are Made in His Image. They are, at best, consumers whose religion is "niceness" and who, when it comes to actual moral behavior, often aren't particularly nice at all.
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Post by kungfuzu on Feb 12, 2023 20:51:19 GMT -8
I am reminded of a lady's comments at ST regarding my piece on Christianity's clear rejection of homosexuality. She said something like, "It is interesting (or sad) that non-believers are able to explain Christian tenets better than Christians themselves." Here is a non-believer who does just that. If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing
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Post by Brad Nelson on Feb 13, 2023 11:19:25 GMT -8
Fair enough. But if God did not love hypocrites, the churches would be 9/10 empty.
Feminism. Whoops, I skipped ahead again. Because "compassion" has been redefined as "acceptance." Any necessary corollary of "tough love" has been redefined as "cruel" or even "racist."
Good points, Reverend Paul. Let's skip to the end though: Feminism. You just named it without naming it. The masculine must be removed and replaced with the feminine. "Gay," "transgender," and all that is consistent with that because it reduces the masculine. And this is especially so when women "transition" to male. You simply further erode the brand, if you will, of being male.
Why God is a He
Alarming numbers, for sure.
This guy is certainly not an idiot.
Now let me state what should be obvious: The conservative sphere is full of opinionators and bereft of leaders. If this guy believes what he writes, he should run – not walk – to the nearest church and enroll.
But given that our problems tend to be nothing more than theoretical constructs for clever people to analyze, I don't expect that to happen.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 15, 2023 15:53:18 GMT -8
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Post by artraveler on May 15, 2023 16:04:58 GMT -8
stopped clock is right twice a day: The clock has not stopped for the Church of Rome, but it does skip a beat every few years.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 15, 2023 17:05:26 GMT -8
I think both the minute and hour hands have come off fairly often and needed repair. This would seem to be the case today. We have a mechanism which has lost its purpose.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 15, 2023 17:12:37 GMT -8
Mike Royko wrote something similar in the mid-to-late 1980s. He maintained that the proliferation of pampered pets was the result of the increase in childless marriages, and that the animals were substitutes for children. Or something to that effect.
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 15, 2023 19:50:55 GMT -8
There is no doubt of that. One caveat that should be separated out: I do believe the truism that it is a good thing for single elderly people to have a pet rather than to be alone. All things being equal.
I'll state my mind without care if it offends or makes me look foolish:
1) Kids are expensive and problematic. If you raise one today, you'll simply lose them to the culture where they are more than likely become some degree of a little monster.
2) People are a pain. I'm not a people-person nor am I an anti-people-person. But the more I see and experience, the more I realize how much of a pain in the ass most people are. They are dumb, shallow, self-centered, crude, and just not terribly wise. People offend me all the time, but it's been a while since a dog has.
3) Dogs are loyal, are always glad to see you, and don't cost all that much. As much as it offends my sensibilities to see dogs treated like children, I don't mind seeing them treated like doggy pals. There was this small dog, Charley, who was saved from the pound by a neighbor lady. Charley would have intermittent seizures but got better under her care. She would always bring him by to look for me when she was out walking Charley. Never was there a sweeter dog. And I always thought I hated the small dogs. I don't. I just hate the little yappy ones that are indistinguishable from a rat. The lady moved away last year and I haven't seen Charley since. Real people move out of the neighborhood all the time and I don't miss them at all. I miss Charley.
But, yes, people are now crossing a line with their pets and they are becoming creepy about it. How creepy? If even a creepy Pope can take note of it, that's how creepy.
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