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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 8:12:22 GMT -8
I find to be all I need in Gábor Tarkövi in regards to the trumpet. But below is no doubt some Mr. Flu-approved immersion therapy:
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Post by artraveler on Aug 18, 2020 8:17:57 GMT -8
I’ve queued up the Berliner Philharmoniker version of Mahler’s 1st. If that is the one with Herbert von Karajan it is one of the best ever recorded.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 9:19:57 GMT -8
I found this collection of trumpet Concertos on Apple Music. This is with the Bamberger Symphoniker rather than the Berliner Philharmoniker as with the above video. (This leads to a logical question: What do you like on your Bamburger?) But it’s another good rendition of Haydn’s trumpet concerto. And it puts the concerto in context with a couple more good works, one by Leopold Mozart (father of Wolfgang), one by Johann Baptist Wanhal, and one by Johann Nepomuk Hummel. All these works were quite listenable. But surely it can’t be that that very first music composed for the keyed trumpet was the best? But none of those other entries even begins to displace Hadyn’s trumpet concerto as the best. But there must be dozens of great trumpet concertos, right? I haven’t heard them all. There’s no way the first piece of music could ever be the best. And yet…
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Post by timothylane on Aug 18, 2020 9:20:32 GMT -8
Alex in A Clockwork Orange seems to have particularly liked Beethoven's 9th Symphony, at least in the movie. That was the music used to drive him to attempt suicide after the Ludovico Method had conditioned him against Beethoven (by chance) as well as violence in general.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 9:41:23 GMT -8
Right now I’m listening to the one with the Berliner Philharmoniker with Claudio Abbado conducting. Are you saying mixing an Italian with a Kraut might not be as good? But so far so good.
I did a search on Herbert von Karajan in Apple Music. The first entry in his list is his Beethoven Symphony No. 5. I’ve added that to my library. It lists as his “essential album” Puccini’s La Bohème. Do I have what it takes to listen to some opera? We’ll see.
They list a whole bunch of live albums with von Karajan. But nothing with him conducting a piece by Mahler.
They do have him conducting Haydn’s Die Schöpfun (The Creation) which that one program said was his masterpiece. I’ve added that to my library for future listening.
[Later...]
Okay. I had to dig deep. I found Mahler's Symphony No. 5 as conducted by the Austrian. You can access Apple Music (a relatively new feature) on a web browser. That gives me many more results than on the phone or tablet (and makes it a lot easier to search and to see the results). So as good as the Kraut and the Italian were, I’ll pick it up with von Karajan.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 9:44:22 GMT -8
No such reaction here. I though it was pleasant enough. But I'll have to listen to it again. I'll try to say way from any bridges or edges of tall buildings when I do.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 9:46:37 GMT -8
They must make for good kissers. And other things.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 10:19:05 GMT -8
So I’m watching this low-budget (but generally good) documentary called Glory to God Alone: The Life of J.S. Bach. I was aware that Bach came from a musical family and had some heirs of his own who are famous. But, Jesus, I had no idea that the Bachs were an institution in Germany. They were yuge long before Johann Sebastian. Everybody knew about them and it just was what it was. I suppose in a perverse way, it’s like the Bushes and Clintons dominated politics for a while. But J.S. was not a Clinton and the Bach clan were creators, not destroyers. It would appear that J.S. himself was a very decent man. Again, this is a yuge departure from the typical “morally dubious genius.” And the presenter is talking bout some of his great works, including his passions. And such-and-such is talking about how St. Matthew is his favorite but that some of them are lost. WTF? Lost? I can see losing your car keys (or carriage keys). But a work by a famous (even in his time) composer? How does that happen? Anyway, this is a quaint, almost high-school-ish documentary, the kind of thing that the lights would have been darkened for in class so that the teacher could go out and have a smoke. But it’s still pretty good as far as giving an overview.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 10:38:02 GMT -8
In his duties, he was writing cantanas for each yearly election of the new town councils in Mühlhausen and for Leipzig. So I guess I can see him writing these commitment-type one-offs and then some church burning down with the only copy.
Or mice.
When Bach moved on to working for royalty to a more civic/civilian position, he had to work with amateur musicians — which apparently he made the best of (literally the "best" of). And he still gave private lessons. And just regular townspeople might come to his door and he'd let them in and be sociable.
And I'm thinking, "This is J.S. Bach. Leave him alone so he can write his masterpieces." But these people are just people and its easy to lionize them and set them above...especially when so many artists attempt to do just that themselves. But apparently J.S. wasn't one of them.
And as to his lost compositions, for me it gives new meaning to "Known only to God."
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Post by timothylane on Aug 18, 2020 11:15:49 GMT -8
I remember noticing in our listings of hymns for a service the listing "J. S. Bach" and found it amusing that they bothered with the initials. I think I'd already heard that the Bachs were a family of musicians, but I never saw any hymn being by any other Bach. A friend of mine is a big Bach fan (Elizabeth prefers Mozart, I tend to go with Tchaikovsky).
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 12:21:45 GMT -8
Mozart wrote the more striking, foot-tapping melodies, which is not to cut him short on his other stuff. I love Mozart. But composers such as Tchaikovsky are like a multi-layered lasagna. It’s not for everyone, but it sure is rich.
I was reminded of something that Leif said in regards to Beethoven, and it was presented not as a “know it all” type of comment but from a guy who was living the music. He said that despite the soul-crushing hardships that Beethoven often had to endure, you never found any self-pity in his music.
Most commenters seem to say how Beethoven’s emotions (while stemming from the personal) are expressed in a more universal way in his music and that this is a large part of the attraction that people have. It’s such an interesting mix, because none of these guys is shy. They are competitive, motivated, talented, and ready and willing to show off their talents. And yet (sometimes) the music took them to another realm.
From what I’ve heard of Beethoven, Leif’s comment seems consistent. Mozart was a rabid egotist (and had the music to back it up). But Beethoven was the deeper mix of things. The same was said in one of these documentaries about J.S. Bach. Yes, you’d hear that tune on the surface but there was a hell of a lot going on. In fact, they showed one of his hand-written scores and, jeepers, it looked like some of Einstein’s equations.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 12:53:38 GMT -8
More interesting comments about J.S. Bach from his peers that I found in that documentary. Wagner said that J.S. was a miracle. Beethoven said his name should have been “Meer” (ocean), not Bach (brook). But apparently he died somewhat in obscurity and was forgotten. Mendelssohn started a revival. Felix Mendelssohn: Reviving the Works of J.S. BachI certainly wasn’t aware of that. Does that mean the reverse can be true, that we can, say, forget Alyssa Milano? Just a classical thought in passing.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 18, 2020 13:17:39 GMT -8
A chap named Michael Hart wrote (and later updated) a book called The 100 ranking the most influential people in history. Religious leaders and inventors tended to be more important than politicians, but there were also straight scientists (Newton ranked 2nd) and cultural figures. Included were 2 musicians: Bach and Beethoven. (Note that Hart ranked them on their historical influence, not on brilliance or ability or any other standard of merit.)
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Post by artraveler on Aug 18, 2020 13:30:15 GMT -8
Mendelssohn
Felix was the son of one of the most remarkable German enlightenment philosophers, Moses Mendelssohn . His father is reportedly to have said, "When Felix was young he was the son of the father. Now he is famous and I am the father of the son"
Mendelsshon's symphonies are on my regular play list. The early ones are good but very standard, however starting with the 4th, Italian he really hits his stride. The 5th Scottish has wonderful cording and deep interwoven themes. The 6th, Reformation is by far his best.
If you tend to more romantic themes. I suggest Dvorak the 9th, New World, is the most popular. Robert Russell Bennet even worked part of it into Victory at Sea, the Normandy Invasion
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 14:17:51 GMT -8
Thanks for the recommendations, Artler. Those sound like good ones and I’ll tell you what I think of them as as come to them.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 14:33:14 GMT -8
Ain’t that the truth. Cool story about the B flat. And I’ll keep on the look for it. You must have left it somewhere. This doesn’t remind me of this comment, but I wanted to mention it before I forgot. One of the chicks on the J.S. Bach documentary said something interesting regarding Bach being relegated quickly to obscurity: “He got his wish. The glory for his music went to God.”
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 18:28:40 GMT -8
Artler, I finished Mahler’s symphony number 1. And I actually went back to the Claudio Abbado version with the Berliner Philharmoniker. It was just a matter of the recording being cleaner and more dynamic. You will find that on Apple Music (or anywhere, I suppose). This had nothing to do with better conducting or the kettle drum guy keeping a better beat.
And I did generally like it. It’s another piece (like Beethoven’s 9th Symphony) that I didn’t listen to in ideal conditions. A lot of jumping around here at work, although not necessarily the kind of jumping around that pays the bills.
Right now I’m listening to Beethoven’s Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 4 with Leif “Falls in the forest” Andsnes on piano. I’m enjoying it. It’s a quite varied piece of work so, unlike so many symphonies that just drone on, this is much better at holding my interest.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 20:29:45 GMT -8
On Apple Music I found: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 • Berlin Philharmonic, Claudio Abbado & Maurizio Pollini.
That’s definitely Maurizio Pollini pictured in that YouTube video so this album on Apple Music might be a recording of that very performance. I like to find the highest quality recording that I can.
The question is: Do I interrupt Bach’s Piano Concerto No. 1 to switch to this? I’ll save Brahms for tomorrow or late tonight.
I’ve listened to (No. 1 in progress) all of Beethoven’s piano concertos as presented by Leif “Falls in the Forest” Andsnes. There’s not a dud in the bunch.
I may have found my new favorite form of classical music. You get more variety than just a Big, Impressive (and often Overpowering) Orchestra thrombing away at you. The counterpoint with the piano freshens things up.
And I like classical piano. And yet my mind can go numb listening to Chopin when it’s nothing but the tinkle-tinkle tinkle, machine-gun style piano playing.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 20:38:08 GMT -8
That guy breathed a lot of life into what typically has become a stale piece of music. Wow. You’d need an aisle or runway about 1000 yards long to give the pianist time to play all that. But it would be worth it. Wedding? What wedding? The crowd would be calling out requests.
They have his Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-Flat Minor on Apple Music. He’s playing with the Berlin Philharmonic & Seiji Ozawa. Sounds promising.
Added to the queue.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 20:49:07 GMT -8
That’s very cool. And, yeah, I suppose it would have been nice to buy a CD from him. Maybe the line was too long or something like that. But after one of his concerts (with the Los Angeles Philharmonic, I believe), Leif is sitting outside at a small table selling and signing CDs. Something tells me this is a highly profitable use of the artist’s time.
And maybe it’s just nice to have some direct contact from adoring fans.
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