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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 13, 2020 10:32:02 GMT -8
This sounds pretty good, Mr. Kung. I'll see if I can find it.
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They've got this on Pluto TV for free in HD (or HD-ish...it looks a little compressed). The opening funeral sequence is well-written and to the point. Good narration during this sequence. So far it smacks of quality but there's a long way to go.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 14, 2020 16:04:25 GMT -8
This movie is kind of like the Beethoven version of Amadeus. That was a movie that I found overbearing and shrill. I saw it once because of the buzz about it but I more or less simply “got through it” rather than had a cinematic rapture. But Beethoven (so far as I would know) was not the annoying man-child played by Tom Hulce in Amadeus. He was German of questionable morals and of a harsh temperament. But he had his reasons, or at least his excuses. His alcoholic father used to beat him regularly. Mr. Kung has no idea at this point where I’m going to go in my review. I will say that this was not a great movie but it was excellent film making. The story was so-so. The subject matter, and the skill in approaching it, was superb. I think Gary Oldman gave it his all. But at the end of the day, he seems somewhat ill-suited for the part. On the other hand, Jeroen Krabbé is excellent as Ludwig’s trusted aid and secretary. Also, the whole “Immortal Beloved” aspect was never sold. Again, like Mr. Kung, I don’t want to give anything away. But what was supposed to be the culmination of the movie seemed like an anticlimax. Another superb element is the soundtrack as performed by the London Symphony Orchestra. These guys are not hacks, even given what little I know about classical music. In the film, they played a superb rendition of Beethoven’s “Moonlight Sonata,” which one could argue was the best moment in the film As one character said near the end, “After hearing (Symphony No. 9 “Choral”), I could not hate a man who could write that.” I got the bug to hear “Moonlight Sonata” again so I stopped the film and found a few versions of it on Apple Music. They all sounded dull and uninspired compared to the one in the movie. (And, I’m guessing, that was exactly the cause of them being inferior.) It’s the same with this movie. Despite the rough spots, it’s hard to hate the movie when presented with that soundtrack. There’s also an excellent moment where Ludwig plays one of his most recognizable pieces on the piano when he thinks no one is watching. The whole gist of the movie is the search by his secretary to find the woman (presumably) that Beethoven considered his “Immortal Beloved” and left all his worldly possessions to. The secretary, thinking that he and Ludwig’s friends had failed him, vowed to fulfill this last wish no matter what it takes. And it takes him traveling all over following the trail of the various women in Ludwig’s life. So we go on a journey that more or less jumps from woman to woman. As a structure for a film about one of the greatest composers of all time, it seems a somewhat stale technique. It becomes even more frustrating because all the best parts of the film have nothing to do with the women in his life (at least directly) and everything to do with his music and his inspiration for it. In the film, Ludwig is quoted as saying something like, “As a listener, you become hypnotized by the music, gaining from it the experiences I had that went into writing it.” That’s a rough paraphrase. Now I can see why I never particularly liked Beethoven’s music. It is dreary, angry, and oppressive. And that’s how Ludwig comes across much of the time. And yet one wonders, after watching this, if he would have written such powerful stuff without that regular beating given by his father. Beethoven is a somewhat broken and embittered individual who finds transcendence in his music. His music expresses the agony of his being (entirely exacerbated by his growing deafness). But Beethoven is also able to express rapture in music like few others. So it’s highs and lows, sort of the manic-depressive of great classical composers. His life seemed lived like your typical artist: a morally dubious one. And in the case of Beethoven, it seems a case of “Whom the gods would destroy, they first give great talent.” His music expresses great drama because he himself couldn’t seem to live without it. Despite my misgivings about some of the elements, the treatment is serious, ambitious, and generally is pulled off well despite the difficulty of jumping about in time. Again, the strongest element in the film is Jeroen Krabbé as Beethoven’s secretary (and presumably his executor as well). And it is his secretary who is able to tie these disparate elements together — along with that superb soundtrack.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 14, 2020 16:59:17 GMT -8
Note that, for what it's worth, in A Clockwork Orange Alex is a big fan of Beethoven. It plays an important part in the plot and is linked to his brutality.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 14, 2020 17:38:08 GMT -8
Interesting linkage to A Clockwork Orange. The movie certainly has me listening to more Beethoven at the moment. And it has me wanting to know more. From reading some other reviews of this movie at IMDB, I get the impression that this is not a particularly historically accurate film. But then, it does seem to present itself more as a dramatization than a biography. That said, the reviews for the written biography, Beethoven: Anguish and Triumph, are pretty good. Another good option may be Lewis Lockwood’s Beethoven: The Music and the Life which apparently places more emphasis on the music than on the salacious stories.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2020 7:29:19 GMT -8
Für Elise is such a nice piece by Beethoven. Last night I watched In Search of Beethoven on Amazon Prime. If you don’t have Prime you can rent it in HD for $2.99 which I certainly think is a bargain for this 51 minute documentary. Most of the biographical information was regarding his musical evolution. The more personal stuff is mostly ignored. But this is more of a “show me” not “tell me” biography. Interspersed throughout are expert pianists explaining (in very general terms) the nature of a particular piece, before and after they actually played it. Beethoven apparently very much liked writing pieces for the piano that were very difficult. In fact, there is one piece where one of the accomplished pianists saya that few, if anyone, can actually play as Beethoven did with one hand. He was a show-off and almost certainly meant to annoy people by making them look far less competent at the piano than he was. The movie barely mentioned Haydn, but when Beethoven went to Vienna (and I think this occurred on his second visit), he was eventually taken under the wing by Haydn. And there would appear to be another documentary in this same series called In Search of Haydn, so that could be interesting. In Search of Beethoven mentions a black incident where Beethoven was conning both his patron and Haydn as he tried to get his allowance increased. It sounds as if he was, or was going to be, kicked out. But Napoleonic events intervened. What comes across in this documentary was that Beethoven was not only a great composure he was a great pianist. And perhaps the movie being centered on his female encounters makes some sense. Apparently much of his writing was meant as gifts or to impress a female. He was very much market-oriented in this regard as much as we was indeed driven by the passion to create great works.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2020 7:38:33 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 15, 2020 7:52:53 GMT -8
You are devious by nature. But it worked.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 7:49:56 GMT -8
Mr. Flu, having started us down this Beethoven journey, will want to know that I watched Concerto: A Beethoven Journey on Amazon Prime. This features Leif Ove Andsnes as the world-class pianist. Some viewers (I was one for a while) may be put off by how much this is about Leif, seemingly using Ludwig as an excuse for face time. But in the end, if you stay with it, you’ll indeed see it is about Leif. But you do gain, through Leif, more appreciation for Ludwig. One of the chicks he does a duet with (and it’s only a short piece in the video) is violinist Vilde Frang. I mention this because I searched out one of her albums, Violin Sonatas. I was very pleased with the three tracks by Edvard Grieg. Who is Edvard Grieg? I admit to having never heard of him, or at least his name didn’t ring a strong bell. But his 3 tracks (Sonata in F Major) are exquisite. And then the album movies onto Béla Bartók whose music is, by comparison, fingernails across the blackboard. But the point is, there is a lot to be discovered amongst the old masters. Also, do not be a slave to name and reputation. I’m sure Bartók has some good stuff. But I couldn’t make it through even the opening of two of the tracks I listened to. I’ve heard more pleasing cat fights. So anyway, whatever his feigned humility on screen, Leif is certainly a fan of Beethoven. He spent four years concentrating on his music which included touring the world playing concerts. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t seriously think that a guy need be humble, and clearly the best virtuosos are living in a stratosphere unknown to most. It’s hard to be humble when you are so brilliant. But Leif does have many interesting insights on the music which you can take seriously because, A) He’s good at playing it; B) The music obvious deeply effects him. And whatever the reality of Beethoven the person is, Leif was extremely sympathetic to him and was seeing, as best anyone could, the music through the composer's eyes. They have his Beethoven Journey on Apple Music, so I’ll make my way through the five Beethoven Piano Concertos.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 10:02:55 GMT -8
Ha. I consider that my formal classical music training. Just wondering, do any men play classical music these days? Or is this more immersion therapy? It’s amazing how the good ones seem to have such emotional expressions on their faces, and body language that almost carries them off the bench, when they’re playing this stuff. I realize that’s a part of the process. But it’s something that I can’t really relate to. I’d be more like the guy playing the clarinet in the background without much fanfare. Or how much of that is showmanship? The audience expects it, etc.? Anyway, I’m continuing to play Alice Sara Ott.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 10:17:56 GMT -8
Geez. After 19 minutes, that chick is still playing the piano splendidly. I couldn't golf that long...if I could golf.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 11:03:09 GMT -8
I’m now listing to that second selection. I was just listening to Peer Gynt by Grieg off of The 50 Greatest Pieces of Classical Music with the London Philharmonic Orchestra. (Again, these guys are definitely not hacks.) I’m up to #41. There hasn’t been a bum one in the bunch. Most of these I have heard, but many I couldn’t put a composer’s name to. We all know it’s Handel when we hear the Hallelujah Chorus. It’s a no-brainer that it’s Wagner who wrote “Ride of the Valkyries.” (Jesus, what a piece.) But did I really know that it was Sir Edward Elgar who wrote “Pomp and Circumstance”? I did not.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 13:29:31 GMT -8
That’s pretty amazing. It takes me a while to read the instructions on the cereal box in order to open the package. Leif noted something about Beethoven that put him into the “special skill” category. I can’t say I understand the difficulty of it. But he sat down to play his piano concerto and the piano was such that he had to transpose the music to a lower key. Leif noted that he did this on-the-fly. Yeah, there’s just another level of existence when you can read music like Liszt and Mozart. It must be very hard to keep your head out of the clouds. I’m halfway into In Search of Haydn. I’m not finding it nearly as interesting as In Search of Beethoven. But other than dalliances with a string of mistresses, Haydn was apparently a nice guy. One of those interviewed said he was polite, honest, and kind….or something like that. Let’s just say he was neither Beethoven or Mozart. Haydn was ordered, apparently not particularly arrogant, and thoughtful of his other musicians. I dare to say that he was quite “normal” despite his exultant talent and fame. And apparently he considered himself a “country boy made good” and felt camaraderie for the average Joe (or Joseph). It’s said the symphonies he wrote in and for London were not meant just for the upper crust, that his music was approachable by all. I don’t know if that’s true. But that’s what they said in this program. But it seems clear this guy wasn’t your usual prima donna flake.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 13:35:27 GMT -8
That’s cool that you met Ivo Pogorelić. But I didn’t need to see his last name to know he was from eastern Europe. His music has that sound of a people who have suffered greatly.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 20:15:05 GMT -8
Well, how cool is that? Here’s a Google Map view of Esterházy Palace where Haydn spent much of his time. In the program I’m watching, it mentioned that one year they had 50 performances — presumably in what is now known as The Haydnsaal. That’s about one a week. Later in the program it mentioned that they were doing something like 125 a year. That’s over two performances a week. That must have kept Haydn busy. That is one grand concert hall. And Wiki says: “Today it ranks among the most beautiful and acoustically perfect concert halls of the world.” So it looks good and it is functional. Let us fly over tomorrow and take in a concert in the Haydnsaal.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 17, 2020 20:38:53 GMT -8
I just finished listening to Beethoven’s Piano Concerto #2 with Leif Ove Andsnes. It’s part of The Beethoven Journey. You can get the whole series (five piano concertos) for 20 bucks. I didn’t think I would like it. I expected to somewhat tolerate it, perhaps catching a nice tune or theme hear or there, but otherwise enduring much of it. But I liked it and it that hour and five minutes just flew by. This is not the Heavy Beethoven I’ve come to expect and dread. This is fairly light, airy, fast-paced but not annoyingly so. So much of this “virtuoso” crap was meant to impress so it’s like they wrote much of this stuff on cocaine or quad-shots of espresso — or both. And that fast-tinkling of the piano is sometimes enough to split an eardrum or give you a headache. And although the music in No. 2 is certainly lively, I didn’t find it intrusive or too urgent. Surprised the hell out of me. And according to Leif ( If a Leif falls in a forest…oh, never mind), the Piano Concerto No. 2 is actually Beethoven’s first. He either left it partially unfinished or delayed the publication of it. Piano Concerto No. 1 was the first published but the second one he produced. He recorded these with the Mahler Chamber Orchestra. And there’s an interesting connection because I was listening to The 50 Greatest Pieces of Classical Music, and the closing song in that series is from Mahler’s Symphony No. 5 (Adagietto). Now I know why that’s on the album. It’s very beautiful. The above is performed by the Berliner Philharmoniker. The one on the 50-greatest album is done by the London Philharmonic Orchestra. But neither are obviously hacks. I was blown away by this through my Sony earphones So I thought “Let’s dial up the entire Mahler symphony #5 on Apple Music.” Well, I listened to about 15 minutes of it and gave up on it. One might wonder sometimes what the music means but there was no doubt about it at the very opening: This was about a war or an ongoing battle. And it was good but it was so Heavy that it really was dreary to listen to.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 7:30:37 GMT -8
Didn’t Beethoven write a symphony about that? It was very moody and powerful.
That Tchaikovsky piece: I would rate that more as “dramatic” than Heavy. It’s practically a toothpaste commercial compared to Mahler’s #5 symphony.
Here’s the Lucerne Festival Orchestra doing it:
Besides, I find that Tchaikovsky had a certain style that was more musical, no matter what he was doing. He’s certainly not my favorite — probably because he is a little Heavy.
I loved the guy playing that bassoon (I think it was a bassoon) solo. No room to hide in an orchestra, not that any of them could actually hide from a good conductor. But he had no pitch correction. No electronic filters. No double or triple over-dub. It was just him blowing on the instrument and creating a perfect note that was gracefully declining in volume.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 7:47:23 GMT -8
“So a guy walks into a bar…” Well, a guy (Anton Weidinger) walks into Haydn’s office one day and says he needs some music for a new instrument. He’s just invented the keyed trumped. Who ya gonna call? Not Ghostbusters. You call The Master. Geez. Look at that hall in Dresden. The above picks it up on the 3rd movement. But according to the In Search of Hadyn documentary, Haydn planned a little joke for the audience (on the audience) at the beginning. The trumpet is first playing a few notes as any normal trumpet would. The joke was that this concert was billed as seeing something new and exciting about the trumpet. So he’s just playing with them. Here it is from the top by Gábor Tarkövi with the Berliner Philharmoniker:
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Post by artraveler on Aug 18, 2020 7:48:12 GMT -8
Mahler’s Symphony No. 5 (Adagietto). Much is made of Mahler's later symphonies, but to my taste his First Symphony is his finest. It doesn't give way to the vocalizing that even if you know German can be ponderous. Many of the themes in the 1st are related to Das Lied von der Erde, (song of the earth) IMHO the 1st is the summation of the classical age. Mahler brings the Romanism of the late 19th century and intertwines it with the contrapuntalism of the German 18th century. For many composer this does not work and even Mahler has trouble trying to perfect it in the rest of his symphonies.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 7:53:06 GMT -8
It asks the logical question: Can a trumpet concerto be any longer than about 15 minutes before you blow out the cheeks of the trumpeter? Not that the piano isn't a physical exercise. But one would think you could play the piano for hours if need be (off and on). But I can't imagine blowing the trumpet for a long time.
There's a lot of Asians in the Berliner Philharmoniker, at least as of Nov. 23, 2018. And isn't that about the most congenial-looking conductor you've ever seen?
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 18, 2020 7:58:44 GMT -8
I will give it a try today. Thanks for the suggestion. Beethoven’s 9th symphony is supposed to be one of his best. I listened to it last night and thought it was fine. I probably need to listen to it again because I think I had a little classical music fatigue going by that hour.
I’ve queued up the Berliner Philharmoniker version of Mahler’s 1st.
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