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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 24, 2020 14:04:23 GMT -8
I can't deny this is good:
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Post by timothylane on Aug 24, 2020 14:20:24 GMT -8
Poor Beaker. I don't recall that sequence, but I don't have everything I saw on the 70s version memorized, and it might have been later anyway.
The music was also used the The Seekers in one of their songs, "Emerald City". Classic music was often used as the base for popular music, such as Allan Sherman using "The Dance of the Hourse" for "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah". "A Lover's Concerto" by the Toys also used a classical theme.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 24, 2020 14:25:54 GMT -8
Here are a couple Meddlesome albums that I really like: Mendelssohn: The Hebrides Overture. The version I found on Apple Music (with John Eliot Gardiner) had:
1) The Hebrides, Op. 26 “Fingal’s Cave” 2) Overture Ruy Bias, Op. 95 3) Overture Calm Sea and Prosperous Voyage, Op.27 I don’t know if the above 3 were meant to be together but they play well together. I can’t find the same album but this comes close. Another jewel was: Mendelssohn: Songs Without Words. This is very listenable. This was also mostly good: Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 1 and No. 2.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 24, 2020 15:14:18 GMT -8
I recommend his 3rd symphony, Scottish, you will find some of the same themes as Fingold's Cave, developed more fully and some interesting variations. It is not light and airy as the 4th, which I gather you found a little tedious. In texture the 3rd and 5th, reformation, are very similar.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 24, 2020 16:21:02 GMT -8
I’ve got saved in Apple Music the Limey Symphony doing Mendelssohn Symphony 1 (listened to and liked) which just happens to have as its b-side Symphony No. 4 “The Italian Symphony,” which, as you said, I found a little tedious. I’ll give Mendelssohn Symphony No. 3 (and 5) a try in the near future. And I look forward to some of the themes from Fingold’s Cave in it. What I really want to hear next is his A Midsummer Night’s Dream, and I have the version with the Boston Symphony Orchestra with Frederica Boom-Boom (same in German as in English) von Stade and Kathleen Battle. I've listened to that Mendelssohn: The Hebrides Overture about four times now in the last two days. Needless to say, even if these songs weren't meant to be played together, they certainly work as a theme.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 24, 2020 19:27:11 GMT -8
I’m listening the the Berlin Philharmonic with Herbert von Karajan for Mendelssohn Symphony No. 3.
His A Midsummer Night’s Dream is surprisingly modern-sounding. Or is that because Disney reached back for his music a time or too? Anyway, it’s certainly a good soundtrack for a play (on stage or ice). And you can tell it was written precisely for that type of venture, thus it’s good for its purpose. But I have no desire to listen to it again as a stand-along piece of music.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 24, 2020 20:27:07 GMT -8
I generally liked Mandelsson’s 3rd Symphony. I'll save that one in my Apple Music library. I think in the second movement there, it got almost Popeye the Sailor Man for a moment. And I loved it. None of this is likely to make sense except to me. But in this symphony, generally speaking, I think he wove together an overall. I was thinking more about Beethoven’s 9th in relation. And I realize no one is going to make a living criticizing it. But it seemed much more of “junk drawer” collection of parts. I think I understand why it is so revered. To some extent, admiration for it is a bit of a “lifetime achievement award” for Ludwig, and well deserved in that regard. Also, the themes in his 9th symphony are “Can’t we all just get along?” utopian, and the pointy-headed self-appointed guardians of good taste love that sort of stuff. Thirdly, and most importantly, Beethoven’s 9th sounds “serious.” And, again, the taste arbiters love “serious.” The most brilliant comedies ( Young Frankenstein) will never win an academy award because they are not “serious.” I just don’t find Beethoven’s 9th particularly listenable or a coherent work. Beethoven has thrown in some heavy stuff, but it seems more of a kitchen sink approach. And having listened to a few more artists now, I suppose I would call his 9th the “heavy metal” of symphonies. And many like that sort of thing.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 25, 2020 7:02:55 GMT -8
My favorite Classics
In no particular order
Beethoven
Piano concertos
All
Overtures
Fidelio
Symphonies
3,5,6,7,9
Brahms
Hungarian dances
Symphonies
1-4
Variations on a theme by Hyden
Mozart
Symphonies
40, 41
Overtures to
All the operas
Eine kleine Nachtmusik
Dvorak
Symphonies
9th New World
Slavonic Dances all
Gershwin
Rhapsody in Blue
Porgy and Bess
Greig
Peer Gynt
Tone poem
Morning
Sibelius
Valse Trist
Symphony 5
Finlandia
Mahler
Symphonies
1, 8, 9
Adagio from symphony 10
Mendelssohn
Tone pomes
Midsummer night
Hebrides
Fingal’s Cove
Romeo and Juliet
Symphonies
3, 4, 5
Rimsky Korsakov
Shahrazad
Saint Saens
Harold in Italy
Carnival of the Animals
Symphony 3, Organ symphony
Shubert
Symphonies
8th (unfinished)
9th (the great)
Strauss
Also, Sprach Zarathustra
Stravinsky
Rite of Spring
Holst
The Planets
Tchaikovsky
Waltz from ballets
Symphonies
1,4,5,6
Romeo and Juliet
Wagner
Overtures from operas (incredible moments, tedious hours)
Brunstein, Elmer
West Side Story
Bruckner
Symphonies 1-9
Frank
Symphony 1
Elgar
Pomp and Circumstance
Ralph Vaughn Williams
London Symphony
King Henry 8th
Greensleeves
Grofe
Grand Canyon Suite
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 25, 2020 11:37:20 GMT -8
I very much enjoyed a Mendelssohn: Works for Piano & Violoncello with Kaspar Singer & Michael Schöch. I get the feeling that Mendelssohn was a good man. His music is lively and gentle. Aspects of it remind me of Haydn. The man seems to love composing music without the baggage of Big Angst coming along for the ride. His music isn’t fluff. But neither is it pretentious and over-stuffed. He seems confident rather than striving too hard. That’s my impression. The man could have been a rat-bastard who beat his wife and all he ever thought about was making as much money as he could. I don’t know.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 28, 2020 18:40:00 GMT -8
Dvorak Symphony Number 9 (From the New World)
This is one of the great romantic symphonies of the 19th century. Anton Dvorak (1841-1904) wrote this to highlight his trip to North America in 1892. Dvorak spent three years in the US in association with the National Conservatory of Music. One of his reasons for traveling to North America was to explore the music of America. He was fascinated by two unique forms of American music, jazz/ragtime and hill music/bluegrass, both of which he found uniquely American. The 9th symphony incorporates many of the themes he heard.
This recording is the London Symphony with Colin Davis conducting. The first movement introduces the main theme which in several variations occurs throughout the symphony. It is introduced slowly. You hear it begin in the bass and violas, horns take up and the rest of the strings with the entire orchestra begin the first statement. The orchestra states the theme while woodwinds play with a variation and back to the main theme.
A secondary theme is introduced played by the wind section and countered by the strings. Both themes argue but the main theme remains dominate. It keeps getting restated stronger and stronger. The second theme recures but is beaten back to the violin section. Horns play a mild variation and the entire orchestra counters. Finely, the horns and violins join in the main theme and romp with the rest of the orchestra to playing with the theme. Working to a close the entire orchestra joins in.
The second movement, traditionally the slow movement begins with a beautiful orchestral cord and introduces the theme, a Black spiritual, Going Home. There is a secondary theme played at first on the horns that interwinds the main theme both this and main theme are the most American in the symphony. Dvorak develops them it to their logical conclusion. However, the theme from the first movement will not rest and is restated with great power as the movement ends as it began on the strings. In many ways this is an American version of Dvorak’s Slavonic Dances which he uses as a second movement in his other symphonies.
For fans of Beethoven the introduction to third movement is familiar. This scherzo cannot help but remind a listener to the scherzo from the other 9th. If you’re a timpani player this is your chance to shine. Dvorak counters every theme with the timpani. Your going to hear the themes from the first two movement wrapped around rapid strings. Other then the introduction the scherzo pays no homage to Beethoven and the themes tend to remind one of German beerhall songs. After playing with all the themes from movements one and two Dvorak moves to his conclusion in movement four. Romer has it that the timpani player does survive.
There is nothing subtle to the fourth movement. The main theme is stated by the entire orchestra. Then each section state it and the strings take up a variation. For the rest of the movement the orchestra counters and restates the themes from the first three movements woven around the ever more compelling main theme. Slowly Dvorak builds the orchestra to a conclusion like the tide it flows back and forth until the horns take it up followed by the rest of the orchestra. This is where the timpani player passes out from exhaustion.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 28, 2020 18:41:49 GMT -8
I'll try the Bernstein version with the New York Philharmonic and report back.
Permission to finish this first:
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Post by artraveler on Aug 28, 2020 18:53:08 GMT -8
There is always room for ol blue eyes
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 28, 2020 19:42:54 GMT -8
Coherent. Musically rich. Not too stuffy. Dramatic at times but not pretentious. NOT JUST ONE LOUD BANG. That is, a nice mix of slower and quieter passages as well. What more can I say but another I’m going to articulate one of my subtle standards for classical music, particularly symphonies. They must not sound as if they are trying to evoke the format. You must have this. You must have that. Etc. I don’t mean a chaotic breaking of the rules. I mean playing within them to a large extent without sounding dull or perfunctory. You can tell in this symphony that Dvorak was guided by his own stars. That said, symphonies (classical music, in general) is a particular style. Anyone who listened only to jazz or rap is going to think that all classical music sounds the same. Indeed, within the broad category, it does. And that makes it hard to write something good that isn’t just “Let’s take a whole bunch of instruments, wind them up, add a dash of dramatic horns and drums, and saw a couple of violins in half while we’re at it and call it good.” To evoke a sprightly musicality within the forms is, to my view, quite difficult. But Dvorak does that throughout his Symphony No. 9.
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I'll listen to it again sometime with your notes in mind. I'll try to gauge at what point the timpani player expires.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 29, 2020 9:46:20 GMT -8
I suggest Sibelius, Finlanda. It is a short piece, about 15 minutes. Sibelius composed it early in the 20th century. In the 30s when the Soviets occupied parts of Finland they outlawed its playing because it was too nationalistic. Later the Nazi influence in Finland during WW II did the same. Therefore, it is a kind of second national anthem.
It begins rather slow in the bass section and transfers to the strings, all the time holding a deep bass cord, and as you are just about to think, "how long can this go on" the tempo changes and the poor timpani player goes to work again. The rest, as they say, is history. There are two versions, one with vocals, and the more popular, in the west anyway, without. For a short work it is quite complex.
Another short work you may not have heard is The Moldau symphonic poem by Smetana. Another contemporary of Dvorak. Dvorak Slavonic dances and the cycle of My Vlast (My Country) are often paired together. The Moldau is on of this cycle.
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Post by timothylane on Aug 29, 2020 10:32:18 GMT -8
In one of Richard Armour's historical parodies, he mentioned the Soviet invasion of Finland and noted that the Finns had upset the Soviets by aggressive acts such as playing the music of Sibelius. I don't know if he knew that the Soviets banned his music in the areas they took from Finland. (It probably didn't matter much, since I understand most of the Finnish population fled from the seized areas -- including many that were never occupied in 1940 -- back to Finland.)
In Allegro Non Troppo, an Italian parody of Fantasia, there's a segment involving Sibelius's "The Sad Waltz". In the animation, a cat wakes up in a ruined building and keeps having fantasies of past happy days that burst like bubbles. At the end, the building is demolished. The overall effect certainly lives up to the title.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 31, 2020 7:27:47 GMT -8
Artler, I found Sibelius: Finlandia on an album which also features the Karelia Suite and the Lemminkäinen Suite (there will be a spelling test). It’s conducted be Petri Sakari with the Iceland Symphony Orchestra. They play in a very fetching building called Harpa Concert Hall. I think it’s shared with one of the Norse gods when they’re not using it. I didn’t even know there was an Iceland Symphony Orchestra. Don't you have to have at least two times zones before you qualify? This turned out to be an 8 minute version.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 31, 2020 8:08:03 GMT -8
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Post by timothylane on Aug 31, 2020 8:35:02 GMT -8
Moldau and Vltava are the respective German and Czech names for the river that runs through Prague.
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Post by artraveler on Aug 31, 2020 10:05:56 GMT -8
I wasn't aware they had an Icelantic Orchestra. Given the population of Iceland, about 370,000, the 100 piece symphony orchestra represents that apex. 1 in 3700 Icelanders is a professional musician. That is I think the highest per capita in the world. It is even more impressive when you consider that the average age of a symphony player is generally about 35, which brings the actual per capita down to less tan 1 to 1000. Factor in those with no dersernable talent for music at least half, and the 1 out of every 500 people in Iceland with musical talent are in the orchestra. Perhaps the long Icelantic winters have something to. do with it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 31, 2020 14:24:30 GMT -8
I’m listening to Smetana: Czech Dances for Piano.Okay, I know you’re not supposed to say something like “Solid piece of background music.” You’re supposed to REALLY concentrate on the music and be in 100% appreciation mode. But the real world is such that much of the music I listen to is background music. Or, a better way to put that, is that it is part of my multitasking experience.
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