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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 5, 2021 20:11:17 GMT -8
My feelings for the Neo-Cons make my feelings for libertarians look tender.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2021 9:43:42 GMT -8
I don’t want Mr. Flu to freak out. I’m recommending this article even though Rod Dreher references David French. But the David French aspect is totally irrelevant. Dreher is just bouncing his own comments off of him, perhaps (for some reason) flattering French in the process. But the substance French contributes is not needed. Let me first say that I think Rod Dreher is quite reality-based when he writes (emphasis, mine): You can, in fact, just skip this article altogether except for the pieces I’ve quoted. Another profound observation by Dreher: Precisely, and very well said. That’s, of course, a superficial and naive analysis of why kids are “trending left.” They don’t “trend left.” They are being actively indoctrinated 24/7 by very zealous forces. Still, I think the core of this is true: Most on the right aren’t conservative. They’re just anti-Left (to the extent that they are). And I think a Jew, an anti-Frencher, and a Left Coast Resident can probably agree on this central tenant: Most “conservatives” are not conservative at all (and most "Libertarians" are just liberals under another name, for that matter). I started noticing this years ago just as I had noted that most Christians are not Christian at all, or are at best superficially so. For that matter, most Jews are not Jews at all. Their Leftist politics is far more important to them than the Torah. I have spoken of the reality we face is that we have to actively work to carve out our own sort of “safe space” in this culture of nonstop gunk. Dreher notes the need for this while noting that engagement in politics must continue, even if this is not the cure that ails us. His piece ends with a relevant thought: No, that’s not enough. Nor was getting online at StubbornThings and simply bitching about things enough. Certainly there are at least three or four major themes that Dreher touches on, and some mixed and mismatched with others. We need to separate but need to remain involved. That Kungian-complex view deserves its own article. But I just found it refreshing that Dreher had the balls to say what I have long been thinking: Those on the “right” are just posers. I know there are some exceptions here. But to me, if you wear a mask in any capacity other than one that is life-threatening (that is, in a medical setting) then how can you consider yourself anything but the Left’s bitch? But most "conservatives" have gone along without a squawk.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 19, 2021 11:02:48 GMT -8
I suppose this relates to your last two posts. I envy you the endurance to make a trail ride like that. My knees will nearly get me to the car some days so a 16 mile ride--never happen for this 73 year old. I see these super bikers around Fayetteville with the skin tight suits, pointy helmet gloves and a bike that cost as much a small car. BTW, did you know all bids weigh 50 pounds? A ten pound bike requires a 40 pound lock and chain, a 25 pound bike a 25 pound lock and chain, a 50 pound bike requires no lock or chain.
When I was a teenager about 60 years ago the dream of every boy was hold a titty in your hand and eventually get laid before graduation from high school. For the most part girls kept their pants and skirts on and their bras. At the University of Arkansas women had to wear a raincoat if they had been to the gym and wore shorts. I think that rule died in the early 70s with the sexual revolution.
Among the young men I knew we welcomed the sexual revolution, no responsibility for birth control, no regrets for one night stands, nothing forbidden and no judgement. For a male full of hormones it was heaven. True, the number of really beautiful women never changed but availability of those in the second and third tier increased. So, the first vestiges of feminism really benefited men more than women.
The feminist movement morphed from free sex with no complications into a political movement and as all political movements do ideological conformity is the order of the day. In effect, feminism has brought back the mores of the 50s and set the rules to contradict each other with even more restrictions: look, but don't touch, touch but don't feel, feel but don't taste. Feminists have their own gag reel watching men jump from one to the next and never closing the deal. It is no wonder the many men have given up on dating and marriage it is much easier to find a willing prostitute to act like a normal women and in the long run cheaper.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2021 12:10:44 GMT -8
Rimshot. (Where’s my rimshot machine?)
Believe me, my knees are starting to feel it. As is my back. My butt. My feet. My legs. Have I left anything out? But this is something I can enjoy. The pain is irrelevant although I do try to keep my desires within my capabilities. For now, and the foreseeable future, that means walking the bike up particularly steep hills. It’s just not worth the wear-and-tear on the knees. Plus (and especially), a good, rugged walk is also refreshing. Using a different set of muscles is refreshing. I’m trying to adapt as I get older.
Fast Times at Arkansas High sounds splendid. Nothing like those simple (simple?) pleasures that you mentioned.
One reason I still do this here is that you can’t generally stumble upon these kind of blatant truths in that outer world of bullshit purveyors (right or left). Michael Medved at least was honest enough to say that the reason he first got involved in the Leftist movement was because that’s how you got women.
It’s incredibly ironic that feminism freed women to become de facto sexual slaves for men. Men have been enjoying their bounty ever since. The people who pay for this are the millions of aborted children left in their wake. This “freedom” has created a lot of cruddy people, both men and women.
I believe the rise of internet porn, homosexuality, and “Incels,” are because walking the minefield of feminism is just not worth it for many men. And you’re spot on about the wheel having turned 360 degrees. Whatever prudery we might blame our parents or grandparents for, it was nothing compared to the fascistic ideological conformity foisted on us now. And in the case of our parents or grandparents, their views were at least rooted in common sense: Women need to be protected.
And that is still so. It’s just that the government is doing it now. There are some odd aspects of this “protection,” for sure. But basically it’s the government (and “woke” corporations and the media) who sit with a threatening look on the front stoop with a shotgun waiting for Tommy to come pick up Betsy for their date.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 19, 2021 15:23:07 GMT -8
You know my view of society and culture is pretty much everything interacts with and effects everything else. So, the question is, "Where to start?" I will make only a couple of observations.
1. Dreher's remark that "we live in a post-Christian and increasingly anti-Christian society and culture, one that is rapidly making it harder for faithful small-o orthodox Christians (that is to say, Christians who do not agree with the party line on sexual issues) to exist meaningfully in the public square." is fine as far as it goes. But one could argue, in fact I think the Bible does, that society will generally be against Christianity.
What I actually believe is happening is that government, in any form, is generally against competing nodes of power. Our Founding Fathers realized this and kept government to a minimum and promoted the spread of power across many different sectors.
Since the latter half of the 19th century, but especially since Roosevelt, the government has grown enormously and has pushed back against competing power nodes. We are now reaching a point where government has become so powerful that it feels it can co-opt all other competitors and bring them to heel. Of course, this has not happened in a vacuum. The culture and much of society would appear to be happy with this. I cannot say whether the huge government is the chicken or the egg in this case, but government and society interact with each other.
2. I started noticing this years ago just as I had noted that most Christians are not Christian at all, or are at best superficially so.
There is the old label, "Country-club Republicans." I think most of today's Christians could be called, "Social-club Christians." Fat, happy, lazy and comfortable with little introspection. But there are advantages to belonging to a social club. People who hop on a particular bandwagon, or join a particular party, religion or club strictly for personal advantage are legion throughout history. I would say, they make up the majority of any such organization.
I have more thoughts, and will follow up with some of them later.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 19, 2021 15:49:52 GMT -8
the case of our parents or grandparents, their views were at least rooted in common sense: Women need to be protected. In all of the old books and movies, say before 1960, the maxium was, when there was a crisis always women and children first. This is generally played out as noble or humanitarian but in reality it is a core instinct of all animals, from the Dodo to the highest ape. Instinctively they understand that the hopes for continuing the species always falls on female shoulders. The exception seems to be the novo-human in the 21st century. Traditional male and female roles have been inter-sexualized so much that if we were loading the lifeboats on Titanic today it would surely be, "hold that lifeboat, we need a trans to hold the tiller". (pun intended) We probably will not live to see the swing back, but if Darwin is just a little bit correct it will be a gene cleansing swing. I actually pity the poor hermaphrodite caught in the middle. (pun intended). As side note: My theses in grad school centered on the early colonial period, 1620-1700. As a part of research for this I spent a lot of time with old colonial records. I assume we all realize, at least intellectually, that birth, marriage and childbirth in those days had a high mortality rate and an infertile couple were fated to a dismal old age at 40+. I assume we all heard of bundling. The practice of an engaged couple sleeping together but each in their own bundle. In theory no sex. The records give lie to that. Time after time a just married girl, 14 or 15 gives birth to a fully grown baby just months after marriage. Apparently, they had a rare gene that allowed them to gestate in only 6 months, sometimes less, and the community had medical facilities to deal with premature births later generations did not have until the 20th century. This goes to say our grandparents knew full well what was going on. The difference from their times is that everyone understood the consequences and grandpa had a shotgun to make sure the right thing was done.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 19, 2021 16:44:27 GMT -8
Hmmm. Maybe the actual test was not to see if two young people would have sex, but to see if they wouldn't. The thinking might have been if, given the very favorable circumstances, these two don't have enough interest in each other to have sex, they probably won't be able to stay together very long in the less than ideal circumstances called marriage. Or maybe the old folks were just tricking the yutes, hoping to get them out of the house.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 19, 2021 17:03:09 GMT -8
In rural communities fertility was a very desired commodity. Women who could not conceive or did not want to were less desirable. Hester did not wear the Scarlet letter because she was unfaithful as much as unproductive.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 19, 2021 17:50:14 GMT -8
Dreher is off the mark here. While it is true that lust/sex is probably the primary focus of the left, it goes beyond that. Where the left has been able to destroy morals passed down through centuries is their focus on the "inviolability" of one's person.
Of course, mass abortion would fall under the heading of lust gone wrong. One cannot criticize gluttons, because it damages their positive body image. One cannot remark about the rampant and idiotic misuse of drugs across the country. One cannot say a peep about full-body tattoos lest one hurts the Goth's feelings. Forget the fact that all of these are extremely unhealthy. (You don't think tattoos are unhealthy? Try giving blood if you have had a tattoo in the past year.)
The idea of the body being a temple is so far from our present mindset that it is laughable.
Interestingly, the one vice that the left will not put up with is cigarette smoking. It is somewhat the same for those who support smoking dope by claiming that booze in just as bad or worse. This would appear to be irrational, but it is understandable if one realizes that the left actually wants to destroy old-established mores. They couldn't give a damn about people's health.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2021 18:07:45 GMT -8
I certainly agree with that.
I was talking to my unsuccessful-pot-smoking nephew this afternoon. And although I would categorize him as a feelings-based Christian (as opposed to doctrinal or behavioral), anything I said about how off-base most of Christianity was, he outdid me with his observations from within (such as the focus on audio-visual equipment, sound systems, espresso bars, and all the other sundry equipment that Paul somehow got along without).
And although, as I pontificated from without, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the social function of church and such, I think that aspect of it has totally drowned out the reality of being Christian which Mr. Flu wisely pointed out: Christianity forever and always (at least until the Second Coming) will be set against the world.
My feeling is that the traits of honesty, sobriety, reasonableness, equanimity, wisdom, and true compassion will set one against the culture. There are only rare cases of mass-marketed man that buck this trend (Dennis Prager, Tucker Carlson). Mostly, if you engage the culture in noble ways, you will be set against it and not be much of a force.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2021 18:16:24 GMT -8
Yes, I’ve heard of bundling. Isn’t that where you marry the eldest daughter and the parents throw in the younger sister as well? [“One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How an elephant got into my pajamas, I’ll never know.”] Rimshot. Etc. Yes, I’d heard of bundling. Apparently, according to your birth records, there must have been a thriving black market in un-bundling devices.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2021 18:28:22 GMT -8
All true.
Regarding separating from the world, some of the comments at Amazon to one of Dreher’s books makes some good points: Christians are meant to engage in the world, if only as an example. Paul did not have a bunker mentality.
But I do and I understand were Dreher is coming from: If you want to be a good person (Christian, Jew, or otherwise), you can’t be the analogous fingers to Palmolive’s Madge and be soaking in it.
I will not accommodate the Left. I will not go along to get along. I reject their assumptions. I accept that they are fundamentally dishonest and evil.
The power of the Almighty is to be beholden to powers and noble ideas that allow one to detach from the mere peer-pressure of “society” and the social mind. The irony in all this is that several generations of these rubes have grown up with the world-beating slogans of “No Fear,” “Just Do It,” and such. The idea was that these generations were free-thinkers and especially equipped to root out baloney.
But starting (at least) with the children of the 60’s, they have failed, they have been fooled, and almost none of them are willing to fess up that they’ve been sold a hill of beans.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 19, 2021 18:30:59 GMT -8
Remember that one of the most important things I learned in Asia is, "The truth is dangerous."
In my book, that would categorize him as a wobbly Protestant. To my mind, the worst single thing that Luther and Calvin did was to separate salvation from works. Luther was even vulgar about this saying something like "one could be an unremitting fornicator and be saved as long as one believed in Christ."
This has given too many lazy, insincere, dim and dishonest people a sort of "Get Out Of Jail Free" card as regards their behavior and claim to being a follower of Christ.
Given the rest of the New Testament I still cannot understand how Luther came to his, in my opinion, almost heretical idea.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 19, 2021 18:59:42 GMT -8
Necessary background information is knowing that his mother is spawn from hell. Him having a fellowship of people who weren’t being mean to him was a welcome respite. I guess he had a pastor who took him under his wing. Blessed are the poor in spirit. I do believe that covers a number of us who need not apologize for being like a single stalk of wheat in hurricane force winds. Shelter is foremost, doctrine and adherence to it comes later, hopefully with wisdom and maturity.
But inevitably to be a Christian (or Jew, or just someone who is a force for decency) means that you have to stand against that wind. You have to face it. You have to carry your cross. The journey is not about safe spaces but various hard and ultimately rewarding trials.
Hopefully that will come in time to him and to the many pseudo-Christians and good-time-rock-and-rollers who worship man, not God.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 19, 2021 19:41:18 GMT -8
But inevitably to be a Christian (or Jew, or just someone who is a force for decency) means that you have to stand against that wind That my friend, is the nub of the problem for anyone who professes religion. Every world religion, save one, has definitive dogma on behavior. Even pagans have restrictions on what may, and may not be done. Every one has dogma on how to handle a stranger in your company. The rules of hospitality in judo-christian culture are clear but keeping them is difficult. Politics and decency do not go well together. As a Jew, my religion is very clear on preserving human life. All the restrictions of Torah are to be set aside if it is the only way to save one life, work on the sabbath-yes, eat or serve pork or shrimp-yes, everything is on the table to save a life and the act of saving one life is a righteous act, the same as saving every life on the planet. The Talmud has long discussions on this subject and the scholars and holy men always come to one conclusion. Life is a gift from G-d and to allow it to go without effort, even in terminal cases is an insult to G-d.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 19, 2021 19:48:35 GMT -8
An excellent quote from Luther.
And another apropos our earlier discussion on the state of Christianity now.
This sums up much of what I had planned to write about tomorrow.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 20, 2021 7:24:06 GMT -8
I liked that second quote from Luther. I think today’s and tomorrow’s yutes are destined to live a life of subservience, sloth, and ignorance. This will facilitate the explosion in robotics and AI. That stuff would have happened anyway but I remain astonished at the stories I receive about how difficult it is to get yutes to work.
My nephew and I were talking to this Amazon Prime driver who delivered a package yesterday. She was all tattooed up and looked ridiculous. But she was a very congenial person. My nephew had previously expressed interest in becoming a driver and moving to Washington State as opposed to his planned move to Japan to continue his work teaching Engrish to Asians. His previous pre-Wuhann-Flu stint was in China doing the same thing.
Anyway, the driver (who was actually working for White Horse Delivery, which apparently is an Amazon contractor) told us the pay ($18.00/hr) followed by all kind of incentives, including for safe driving (sensible). I think you got $100 extra per month for a clean record.
But I was amused by another one of their incentives. I’m not sure what the monetary value was, but there was a monetary incentive for showing up on time. In my day the reward for showing up on time was keeping your job. But this snowflake generation needs to be poked, pleaded, and prodded to do a day’s work. But this tattooed chick did appear to be one of the better kind.
There is nothing but Eloi in the future for today’s and tomorrow’s yutes. Their parents have sold out the American Dream for their ideological utopian trinkets. I’m not sure how they’ll chart a course through the increasingly aggressive nanny state. But you can bet they’ll at least find time to add some tattoos. I’m sure it won’t be long until someone talks about the “tattoo gap” and it becomes another entitlement.
It is good that we are alive today because I’m not so sure we’d want to be living 50 years hence.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 20, 2021 10:46:42 GMT -8
Listen grandpa, we're in a new world. Nobody is using a horse-and-buggy anymore. Seriously, your post shows why so many businesses in America are pushing to import labor. It is not just about hourly wages. It is about dependability, performance and interest in one's job. Of course, no one will discuss why we have millions of yutes who are virtually useless. The breakdown of the family. Millions born out of wedlock and all the attendant problems that goes with this. Lousy public schools which are little more than mass-baby-sitting warehouses. The breakdown of morals resulting from the destruction of the family, greed of the mass media and failure of the public education system. And finally, the disincentive to work due to the tentacles of the welfare state reaching into all sectors of society. So instead of trying to correct the fundamental problems in our society, businesses take the easy way out and import bodies. Ah so desu ka? My first thought is that it might be pretty difficult for someone who appears to be under a lot of mental stress to pickup and go to Japan. On the other hand, getting away from the major reason for that stress may be the best thing for him. The Japanese are very different from the Chinese, so he shouldn't expect exactly the same experience he had in China. That said, he could learn a lot from the experience. Do you believe he gained from his time in China? I would have thought it would have made him more mature.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 20, 2021 11:19:50 GMT -8
You can’t have too many miles between yourself and this crazy woman.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 20, 2021 13:22:35 GMT -8
In my day the reward for showing up on time was keeping your job. In my time I have hired and fired and one of the first things I tell new employees is that job security is almost assured but there is one iron clad rule. Show up on time or call at least two hours before your shift. The remarkable thing is how many were shocked when I fired them for being "no show". This is no recent occurrence but dates back to the 70s. I do believe it is worse now because HR department have become an extension of the democrat communist party.
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