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Post by artraveler on Jan 6, 2021 17:49:51 GMT -8
I understand the reluctance to give Trump credit for his many accomplishments. He is in many ways not a person you would ask to babysit your children. He is offensive, and rude often to the point of hurting his own causes. However, these are not traits that disqualify him as a leader. Some of the best bosses I had in over 60 years of employment were ass holes, rude, vane, demanding and egotistical. The best of these were actual leaders who could take a position defend it until it was either won or demonstrated that it was wrong and then change course without apology.
What most conservatives these days, and all RINOs do not understand is that this is a war for the soul of America and they have been losing not for over 100 years. The enemy is on the cusp of victory and we are debating that Trump tweets too much and too often.
The restrained violence we saw today in DC was only a small part of the violence to come. If you live in a blue state of city expect to see increasing restrictions on every one of the 10 amendments especially the 1st and 2nd. Convert your assets as much as possible to cash. While the market is still up cash out 401k and IRA we are in or a very bumpy ride. Take a not from American Express and never leave home without being armed. The violence is only going accelerate. I have been saying this is the 1850s all over again. I fear I was wrong. This is going to be worse.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 18:03:51 GMT -8
This is simply the way things are. One rarely accomplishes much by being a lamb or that American term which means virtually nothing, "nice."
It is the above characteristics which attracted many to Trump. These people have dealt with life and know how things work. They know that the smooth, meek Uriah Heep types who generally run for office are most often conniving, lying scumbags just like the Dickens' character. They are not to be trusted. This seems to be a lesson many have never learned.
One of the heads of Singapore's internal security once told me he liked people who lost their tempers because they were generally more honest than those who kept everything under control. He was a smart man.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 18:13:53 GMT -8
I have supplied information in the past on voter fraud. I will do so again.
For anyone who honestly wishes to enlighten themselves, here are two straightforward pieces on some of the voter fraud perpetrated during the November 3rd vote. The first is short, the second is very detailed. Read them. Spend some time on the second. Anyone who reads these and still claims there is no evidence of voter fraud is well.....
Personally, I find the constitutional crimes more important. Creating two different classes of voters, which is what several states did, I find abhorrent, even if others don't.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2021 18:29:26 GMT -8
You’re way too touchy on the subject. But I wouldn’t characterize you as a “zealot.” But I do think you’ve swallowed at least a sip of the Kool-aid.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 6, 2021 18:31:40 GMT -8
The vote fraud goes hand in hand with the KFF fraud. They are not happening in a vacuum but the same effort to control and limit our liberties. It is possible that both have been exaggerated to be far worse than it really is, but there is more than enough evidence to conclude by a rational person that there is something very wrong.
In combat a lot of action is determined by what we call "gut" feelings. The enemy is not going to send you a polite note saying we are going to attack here at 1700 hours. Even inexperience soldiers have a feeling when something is not right/dangerous.If they live through a firefight they learn to interpret their gut feeling. I think the American people have a gut feeling about KFF and vote fraud. That feeling came to a head in DC today and in households across America. It is not going away.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 18:32:33 GMT -8
Absolutely. We have people willing to condone crime and fraud for the sake of their sensibilities. I wouldn't mind them having to reap what they are sowing, except my family and I will also have to eat the bitter harvest. To avoid that fate, I am quite willing to become nasty, rude, pushy and unreasonable. It has nothing to do with Trump.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 18:34:05 GMT -8
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Given that statement, I tend to "perhaps not."
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2021 18:38:50 GMT -8
Of course, as you well know, in my case I’m not talking about Trump’s accomplishments. I’m talking about the PR hit that Trump has taken (with friend, foe, or just those who are midland). His last month in office can’t help but tarnish his accomplishments. And what I’ve pretty much said from day-one is that Trump is an alligator in the very swamp that we all complain about. Sure, he’s eating (or trying to) some of the other alligators. But the swamp remains. In fact, I’d say he’s deepened if only because he has tarnished the ability to oppose it. Like it or not, Trump’s nuttiness is going to hurt Republicans (or anyone who opposed “wokeness”) for a while to come. He blew an election because he has the impulse control of a three-year-old. Ann Coulter has an excellent article at Townhall which I agree with (although I have no idea how much of the wall was actually built). I doubt it. I think we’ll actually see some short-term calming of the atmosphere. But who knows? |
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 18:45:22 GMT -8
Coulter has been reliably, unreliable on her assertions regarding the actual length of wall built.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jan 6, 2021 19:02:16 GMT -8
As you well know, I’ve never argued that there was no voter fraud. I’ve argued that a clear and reasonable case has not been made that the fraud was significant enough to have swayed the election.
Trump has built a monomaniacal house on sand and wallpapered it with various isolated incidents, anecdotes, and claims. He’s led a lot of people down this path, some likely to their own political destruction. I think an obvious case of this was the Georgia runoff. His hysteria and string of conspiracy theories did not help these candidates.
Politically, I think Trump is now a poison-pill. I think today’s events (just as his disavowing Sidney Powell a few weeks ago) was a definitive event for those reading the tea leaves. I agree with one of the talking heads on Fox that his chances for 2024 are now shot.
But four years is forever in politics. But, frankly, I don’t want the man back. He should go make another TV series or something.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 19:04:57 GMT -8
Gut feelings are generally the mind processing large amounts of incomplete information without extensive verification very rapidly and making decisions reached by the unconscious mind. It is often called life. Given enough experience, such feelings are very very often spot on.
I use my gut feelings as a starting point. I go into great detail and spend a lot of time trying to figure out what is actually happening as regards a certain thing.
It was my gut feeling in December which put me on to the slight smell of the corona virus in Asia. I have followed the scent since then and have no doubt that it is the biggest criminal fraud ever perpetrated upon mankind. I have gone way past gut feeling.
The same goes for the November 3rd election. The moment the KFF hit the States, I smelled trouble for Trump. I suspected some percentage of it was organized and this has proven to be the case.
I had a very bad gut feeling around midnight of the election. All of a sudden, five or six states in which Trump had massive leads, stopped the vote count. I did not leave it there though. I have looked into this very carefully from that night and confirmed my gut feeling that there was massive voter fraud. Regardless of what other say, there is zero doubt in this regard. All the denying and delays which have come about by people who say, "there is no evidence of voter fraud" is lies and misdirection to delay things until they can get Biden into office. After that, they don't give a shit.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 19:34:11 GMT -8
I don't know that. What do you consider significant?
Is it significant to create two classes of voters, one whose identities and signatures have to be matched, and another where this is not the case? This has happened in several states to the tune of hundreds of thousands of votes. This is not in dispute.
Is it significant that vote-counting monitors were kept out of voter counts or when finally let in required to stand anything from 10 to 50 feet away from the actual counting? This happened while hundreds of thousands of votes were counted. This is not in question.
Is it significant when people go out and harvest votes from people sitting on park benches, walking, eating in restaurants, etc. and then send those in under a special category of "Indefinitely confined" even though the votes were harvested from completely healthy people? This happened in Wisconsin and the number of ICs went from about 70,000 to over 200,000. And that is specifically illegal under Wisconsin law. This is not in question. I believe there is a case coming before the Wisconsin Supreme Court soon.
Is it significant when something like 66,000 people under the legal age to register in Georgia register to vote and then vote?
Is it significant when there is no legal chain of custody for many thousands of votes across the states in questions. This is not in question. (I will see if I can find the exact number)
I could go on and on and on with such undeniable facts. No one is even questioning this information. They are getting away with it and don't care. They are telling everyone to go to hell.
A difference of only 46,000 votes would change the results of the presidential election.
10,457 Arizona 11 electors 11,779 Georgia 16 electors 20,682 Wisconsin 10 electors
45,918 more votes, 37 more electors for Biden
Subtract those 37 electors from Biden and he has only 269 electors i.e. Trump wins. That small number of 46,000 is pretty significant.
Your claim that there was not enough voter fraud to sway the election is simply nonsense. It is absolutely clear and provable that there is such fraud. I don't care who does it, I don't like cheating and I especially dislike it on the massive scale which has taken place in this election.
You say I am too sensitive. Well let me tell what I am sensitive about.
I know you are intelligent. I know you are a good man. I know you are an honest man. I know you generally look into things before you make a statement. But you have clearly not looked into this in detail and are making claims which are simply not true. I don't mind when people disagree about opinion, etc, but I find is very disturbing when people I know and admire are so blinded by animus that they are not able, or are unwilling, to search for and admit facts. If we can't rely on facts we are lost.
It is because I hold you in high regard that I am so sensitive about this.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 20:02:36 GMT -8
This is why the scumbag Loeffler lost her senate race. It was clear, all along, that she is a lying snake. Not only that, she is a stupid lying snake. She thought people believed her lies.
If she represents the Republican Party, you can have it.
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Post by timothylane on Jan 6, 2021 20:09:05 GMT -8
Part of the problem is that proving misbehavior doesn't prove how much fraud resulted from it. The courts were very reluctant to get involved, regarding this as a political matter. They needed proven examples of fraud sufficient to make a difference. The resulting consequence -- illegal behavior going unpunished -- and its seriousness (what isn't punished will be repeated) didn't enter into their thinking.
It's one thing to know there was fraud (e.g., through statistical evidence such as the rejection of a tenth as many mailed ballots as there usually are) and another thing to be able to prove it to a court that really doesn't want to listen. Regardless of the results, this is what gets most Republicans irritated. Loeffler might indeed be a bad 'un, but the choice wasn't between her and Jesus Christ, but between her and Rev. Warnock. I'll take her over him any day of the week. It's like the 2006 election, when I thought the GOP deserved the beating they got -- but still worked for Anne Northup, our Representative, because the Demagogues were even worse. As indeed they proved to be. (Northup lost to John Yarmuth, a wealthy Republican turned radical Demagogue.)
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 20:14:10 GMT -8
And to-date, I believe all but one or two of the suits brought against the various voter frauds, etc. have been thrown out due to "standing" and "laches." The courts condone crime by refusing to hear cases. I guess they consider politics a type of crime in any case and they don't like to get involved.
I can only quote Micawber, "The law is an ass."
If we are forced to rely upon such a law we are truly lost as a nation. One should be able to discern this already from the sorry state the country has fallen to.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 20:18:28 GMT -8
Oh I agree. But note I said Loeffler was stupid. Her stupidity is what cost her and us. That is why I am so irritated. She deserves much worse than she got, but we don't.
And frankly, this is all the more reason I wish Trump to win through. With Biden in the White House, Pelosi in the House and Schumer in the Senate, the country will be truly screwed. Sadly, Trump will likely be gone on the 20th.
By the by, I just saw some video with that scoundrel Mitch McConnell warning that there are no moderate Demoncrats in the party today. Duh. Given the way things look in the Senate, it wouldn't matter much if he met with a serious accident soon.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 20:35:28 GMT -8
Here is a good example of the fraud in Pennsylvania. In late December it was found there were 205 000, more votes than voters. Snopes rates this claim as false.
Reading the article, you will note that Snopes quotes a Pennsylvania official as proof that the claim is false, to wit"
Note that the Pennsylvania Department of State said the numbers are not accurate because they were based on incomplete data. Note also that the Pennsylvania Dept. of State does not yet have the complete numbers. Yet they previously confirmed the "incomplete" numbers so that the "vote" could be confirmed and electors sent to D.C.
It is illegal to "confirm" a vote until the data is complete. So how was the election "certified?" These bastards are winging it and the establishment is allowing the theft to go on in broad daylight.
The people at Snopes are liars, idiots or both. They show why "fact checkers" are never to be trusted. Check on something yourself if it is important for you to know the truth. It may take time, but if it is important, the time should be taken.
No crime here.
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Post by artraveler on Jan 6, 2021 20:39:42 GMT -8
Mitch McConnell The turtle has outlived any usefulness he might have had. For the last four year he has played political games with the president, talking conservatives but acting leftist. He holds to the idea that the senate is a serious deliberative body of wise old owls hooting when the the president wanders off the path. The senate has not been that since the passage of the 17th amendment. These wise old owls don't even know where the path is let alone the ability to hoot. As minority leader he will be just as ineffectual. I do hope someone has the guts to challenge him for the leadership spot. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 20:57:13 GMT -8
Failing that how about a massive stroke? I know it sounds bad, but this bastard has been screwing the American public for decades. His wife's family is pretty big in shipping. Although they are Taiwanese, China is important to them. Do you think old Mitch has been helping the family with legislation, introductions and a few words in the right ears? Screw him.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jan 6, 2021 21:09:25 GMT -8
This guy had better be careful.
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