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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2020 13:46:16 GMT -8
For those lurking, there’s a grand discussion of classical music in this thread about the movie, Immortal Beloved. But let’s start a topic on Classical Music if only because I’m testing the free app, Idagio. Here’s a more complete review at PC Magazine. I have Idagio as an app on my Apple Watch but rarely listen to any sort of music these days via the watch. But I thought I’d download the full app to my tablet and finally kick the tires. Idagio does have a subscription level (the prime benefit seems to be 320 Kbps streaming) but the 192Kpbs in the free service is already better than most, as that PC Magazine review points out. And apparently it’s a high-quality 192Kbps although I thought (for whatever reason) it was clearly lacking bass. I subscribe to Apple Music which has no end if classical listings. But it’s so bloody difficult to find your away around in the app. The now defunct iTunes was truly one of the worst music programs ever made. But Apple Music shares some of iTune’s confused awfulness. In this case (quite the opposite of Idagio), it’s partly because they try to pack so much in. I’ve been listening for a while now. This is supposed to have (for the free version) commercials every once in a while but I haven’ heard any yet after about 45 minutes. One problem I did run into was when playing one of their curated playlists. I could find no damn way to skip a track. Ohhh. Wait. I found it. More “hidden interface” stuff. I hate when they do that. That is typical on phones and tablets these days. And I think the problem with this particular program is that it is sized for the phone. It’s very minimalist — too much so. With a tablet (iPad, in this case), you have a lot of wasted screen space. There’s no need to hide basic controls such as “skip to the next track.” I’ve skipped through a couple of their curated Christmas playlists. They seem entirely perfunctory, boring, and unimaginative. Still, the free part of this service offers a ton of music. I’ll keep the app around for a while and see how much use I can make of it.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2020 14:06:40 GMT -8
On one screen of Idagio (the “browse”) tab, it does present a convenient way to look for music. Along with the search box at the top you can view (visually, with a big graphic or photo, which is nice) by Composer, Ensemble, Soloist, Conductor, Instruments (I really like this feature...probably is better than their ability to curate music via “mood”), Genres (chamber, concertos, keyboard, opera, orchestral, sacred vocal and secular vocal), and Periods (medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, classical, romantic, impressionism, 20th century, and contemporary). That’s a nice way to skip to a type of music if you don’t have a particular piece in mind. See that gray bar at the bottom. There’s a pause button to the very right of it. But where’s the skip-to-next-track button? They’ve got a pause in plain site with lots of room for other controls. One first assumes that there are no other controls. But, much like so much on the iPad or iPhone, you have to deal with The Hidden Interface. In this case, click on the grey bar (there’s no clue that you can do so) and other music playing controls appear.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Dec 26, 2020 14:29:09 GMT -8
One other problem (often shared with Apple Music’s interface) is that there is no breadcrumb trail to tell you where you are.
For instance, I chose the “Violoncello” category in Idagio. And it’s right now playing a nice selection of music featuring that instrument.
But after a couple of minutes of web browsing and other stuff, I had forgotten what I was listening to. All it shows you (that grey bar at the bottom) is which track you’re listening to.
Okay, I like the category I’m listening to. But I forgot what I had chosen as a category. What if I want to play this again? There’s no way to know.
And there’s no list of the tracks that have been playing, at least in this mode (in other modes you do see a playlist). But if you can remember that you had chose “Violoncello” and click back on that category, you can see a playlist. But the current track isn’t highlighted from within this playlist. Maybe that’s not a big thing in this case, but it show the lack of spit-and-polish.
But without a breadcrumb trail (whether back to categories or to previous or next tracks in the playlist), it makes it very difficult to take note of things that you like and perhaps find more like it. Apple Music does a much better job of this. But unfortunately their interface is so crammed with stuff, the breadcrumb trails usually get lost in the thousands of loaves of bread cluttering the app.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 27, 2022 16:27:22 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 2, 2022 9:53:02 GMT -8
Yes, a nice dramatic piece. I did find it on Apple Music: Guiomar Novaes, The Pro Musica Symphony & Hans Swarowsky. From 2008. This album has three tracks on it...apparently this whole piece in parts I, II, and III. Always nice to find better audio quality than YouTube but at least you can find a lot of stuff on YouTube.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 2, 2022 15:31:19 GMT -8
My LP, which I bought over 50 years ago, has Grieg's "Piano Concerto in A Minor" and De Falla's "Nights in the Gardens of Spain." It is also beautiful.
The CD I bought in the 1990s has those two plus four pieces by Chopin.
I find Novaes playing to be wonderful.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 3, 2022 6:41:36 GMT -8
Grieg's "Piano Concerto in A Minor This is one of the greatest concertos ever written. Beethoven wrote 5 concertos, of which I think the Emperor is the best. Mendelssohn violin concerto is in MHO one of the greatest concertos ever done. Although, it is listed as a rhapsody Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue should also be counted.
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 3, 2022 9:38:54 GMT -8
Here is a wonderful version of that piano concerto with my favorite symphony orchestra backing the pianist in my favorite concert hall. I am always amazed that anyone could play such a piece so well. Zimmerman playing Beethoven's 5th piano concerto
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 3, 2022 10:02:37 GMT -8
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 3, 2022 10:11:37 GMT -8
I found a version on Apple Music with the London Symphony Orchestra: Krystian Zimerman, London Symphony Orchestra & Sir Simon Rattle. Also found a version with the Vienna Philharmonic and Leonard Bernstein.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 3, 2022 11:16:25 GMT -8
Beethoven was not a fan of piano concertos. He only wrote them when paid. Imagine what a 6th concerto would have been like if some one had just been willing to fork over some Marks.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 3, 2022 12:21:57 GMT -8
One supposes today that there would be billionaires tripping all over each other to fund the guy. But genius isn't always recognized. Or at least valued as it should be. On second thought, I wouldn't want any musical genius to be tainted by the money of a Zuckerberg or Gates. They'd likely commission him to produce Mozart's (he/his/him) 5th non-binary Symphony.
I actually printed some business cards the other day where two different chicks both had "she / her / hers" under their names. Just assume what I'm thinking because these people spend a fair amount with us.
But I will be printing business cards for myself that have "he / him / hey-you" under my name. Those are my preferred pronouns.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 3, 2022 13:29:09 GMT -8
It must be difficult for the trans people. Is it she/ hers or he/him. Or maybe just it?
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Post by kungfuzu on Apr 3, 2022 13:51:39 GMT -8
As with all of these atheistic progressives, what is actually being addressed is this: Nothing. For those who have not seen my previous comments on the main driving force impelling the left in their madness, the above is the "infinite sucking black void" which leftists are on a continuous and frantic yet always-failing search to fill.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 15, 2023 20:24:21 GMT -8
Last year, Apple bought out a classical music streaming company, Primephonic and will soon be launching (within a week or so) a new Apple Classical Music service derived from that purchase. It is (theoretically) included at no extra charge, although I received an email from the Homosexual Corporation whose Rainbows used to stand for the multi-colored Apple logo instead of Super Bowl abomination, that they are raising their prices. After that abomination that Apple sponsored at the Super Bowl, I don't see how I can in good conscience give them any more of my money than I have to. So I'm checking out (again) the free (or paid) app, Idagio. I had tried out this service several years ago but didn't stick with it for whatever reason. But now I'm motivated to dump the Homosexual Corporation that supports Abominations at the Super Bowl. All my Frank stuff I have in digital form and don't need Apple Music for it. But I do like listening to classical. And, frankly, the new service from Apple could be the cat's meow (the homosexual's squeal?) but Apple Music, generally speaking, is yet another app that seems stitched together and is a bit of a pain in the ass to use. So I won't miss it too much if I dump it. I had tried the free tier of Spotify and it is so riddled with obnoxious commercials as to be completely unusable at the free level. So that was a bust. But I've been listening to Idagio this evening for a couple hours and the only commercials it has are self-advertisements for their service spoken in a soft, sophisticated British female voice. And they are fairly widely spaced. It's hardly an interruption at all. True, with this free tier there is less control over making playlists and stuff like that. But I'm finding it's been a good way to discover music as well, although I haven't really done much but listen to Mendelssohn all night. But when a selection (songs, EP, album, I really don't know what I'm choosing) is finished, it will automatically start something similar. So now we've gone from Mendelssohn to Ignaz Moscheles, Symphony in C Major op. 81. And I like what I'm hearing from this. For this free tier, you can save only 6 "favorites," so, again, you're limited in building and organizing a collection of albums, etc. But I can probably work around that. This will allow me to sample music I might not have otherwise. And you can at any time search for an artist or piece and find it and then (I think) play it (0r some of it, or most of it...I haven't yet determined what you get on a search...a whole symphony or just one track...or a couple of related tracks). I'll experiment some more. And if I'm happy with Idagio (at least for classical music), I'll cancel the service offered by the Homosexual Music Perversion Company that Sponsors Abominations at Super Bowl halftime shows.
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Post by artraveler on Mar 16, 2023 7:48:29 GMT -8
Ignaz Moscheles, Symphony in C Major op. 81 An interesting work, For any one who likes Felix Mendelssohn this is a good example of early German romanticism. Strikes me as very similar to Mid Summer Night Dream. The slow movement is very smooth reminds me of some of Wagner's slow movements, or perhaps Mahler. The final movement has good contrapuntal elements, Beethoven would like it. Overall a good example of early 19th century composing, perhaps a little too much string but very listenable. I never signed up for the Apple Music service, just bought what I liked, currently about 200 albums of classical and popular. Classical is very heavy on the 19th century and the pop is very heavy on 1920s-60s. with a big jump into bluegrass and traditional jazz.
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Post by kungfuzu on Mar 16, 2023 8:27:36 GMT -8
Idagio sounds like a good service. Luckily, living in the DFW area, I have easy access to, I believe, the oldest classical music station in the USA. Since they went online, I have even listened to it when traveling to Asia for business. They have a few commercials, but I do not find them at all disturbing. A few times each day they have "commercial free" hours. It was a life-saver for me in December of 2021. It kept me company/sane when my family and I were all prostrate with the KFF. The one thing I don't like is that several of their long-time announcers retired over the last year, or so. These guys had deep voices like dark honey and knew a lot about music. They have been replaced by much younger announcers who have a somewhat less serious style, in my opinion. WRR.FM
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 16, 2023 9:28:28 GMT -8
I would imagine one can get a lot of deals from the thrift stores for CDs. I don't go to them anymore because they are such Central Depositories of Disease. No, I don't wear masks. I'm not afraid to shake hands. I'll even hug you, that's how little I care about "social distancing."
But you are begging to pick up something by regularly shopping Goodwill. At least that had been my experience. There's always the option to pick up a lot of misc. classic at eBay, of course. I might look into that.
But I am heavily leaning on not renewing...which comes up April 10 for me. It's not a matter of money. It's a matter of self-respect. I won't be Tim Cook's bitch.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 16, 2023 9:42:55 GMT -8
I will look now and seer if I can stream that. Great. I found it available from streaming on myTunerRadio, my usual go-to app on my iPhone or iPad for streaming radio stations. Started right up with Beethoven's Piano Sonata #12. Thanks for the recommendation. I'll try to get an idea of how dense the commercials are. [Ran into one break. It was fairly short and not obnoxious.] As for sound quality, it sounds good. I think a lot of the Classical stations (including libtard King FM) stream at higher bit rates. As for Idagio, here's the info according to a review at PC Magazine: From what I understand, 192 is a fairly high fidelity bit rate. There is higher, of course. But could I hear the difference on even my relatively good stereo system? Probably not.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Mar 16, 2023 9:50:35 GMT -8
You sound like a true Classicalphile. I don't know all the particulars of the genre, but I do learn a bit here and there. "Mendelssohn" has that double-s, for instance. Learned that fairly early on. Only a rookie would dare omit that second "s."
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