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Apr 15, 2022 6:42:19 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 15, 2022 6:42:19 GMT -8
Indeed, let us hope.
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Apr 22, 2022 8:38:12 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 22, 2022 8:38:12 GMT -8
As predicted. EU to allow payment of Russian gas in rubles What a dishonest paragraph. There is no "work around" of Russia's demands. It was Russia which laid out this particular method of paying for their gas a few weeks back. At that time, the EU said no way. The USA is even more emphatic. Don't stop the import of Russian energy!This gives an idea of what is truly thought about this war. The EU's position is, "the war is a crime, but we will finance it anyway." The American government is worried about a further spike in prices and destruction of the Demoncrats in November. Keep killing those Ukrainians. We are being led by dishonest criminal idiots.
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Apr 28, 2022 20:08:12 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on Apr 28, 2022 20:08:12 GMT -8
Good grief! We are broke as a country yet our government is giving/wants to give something like $50 billion to the kleptocracy known as the Ukraine. How much of that amount is going to the Ukrainian oligarchs, including Zelensky? More importantly, how much will be filtered back to American politicians and bureaucrats? And this is only what America is giving him. Europe is giving a lot as well. Biden asks for $33 billion moreMarine General Smedley D. Butler called it about 90 years ago. He learned from personal experience. We should learn from him. I have read the book. It is concise and factual. One can read it in one or, maximum, two sittings. War Is A Racket I think the Ukranian government can't believe what is happening. They keep asking for more and more money and weapons (many of which it is now admitted are probably not going to this fight against Russia i.e. they are being sold to others around the world) and the West obliges. Zelensky has brazenly asked for at least $7 billion a month from the West and it looks like he might get it. That is more than 46% of the Ukraine's yearly GNP. On top of this, Western countries are taking in millions of refugees, providing them food, shelter and monthly stipends. There are now over 5 million Ukrainian refugees in Europe and some expect the number to reach 8 million. The exact numbers are not clear, but it appears that something like 6 million Ukrainians already lived outside the country before Russian invaded. The Ukraine had a population of about 41 million people in 2021.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 29, 2022 6:46:19 GMT -8
Ukraine is a cause célèbre, and I think rightfully so. I come at this from a different angle. I don't blame the victim like you do. Instead, I say let's pitch in some money to drive Putin and his army to the gates of hell. Meanwhile, it's good to see Europe taking steps (unlike Biden) to lessen their dependence on Russia for natural gas.
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Post by artraveler on Apr 29, 2022 12:26:00 GMT -8
From what I am reading a large battle is shaping up in eastern Ukraine. This is somewhat west of the Kursk area where Soviet armies destroyed Germans but the land is similar, however, the aggressed party is not the Soviets but Ukrainians defending their homeland. The soil in the Donetz area must be very fertile from the blood of millions of Soviets and Nazis who fought desperate battles over 75 years ago.
Russia has lost a lot in the last six weeks of war and stands to lose more. Instead of a tank battle, like Kursk, this stands to be artillery and ground pounders. I tend to give the Ukrainians a slight favor, home field advantage and the quality of the artillery they have received from the US and NATO. The M777 155 mm is an impressive weapon and generally outranges Russian artillery and is more accurate. Most importantly it is more mobile. A battalion can set up fire and be gone as the first shell arrives on target. Additionally, firing can be coordinated for massive ToT, time on target, so a target can be hit at the same time from artillery miles apart, and can be walked to other targets in the same vicinity. Russia can fire massive amounts but their ability to ToT is limited. In some cases they are using WW II weapons.
The other day Ukraine claimed to have 25,000 KIA Russians. I think that number is propaganda but, I would believe 12-15,000 KIA which means the Russians have 36-45,000 wounded. If so they have suffered 20% to 30% casualties since the war began. It is clear their armored force has suffered greatly.
If Putin cannot achieve a noticeable victory soon his political position could become untenable.
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Apr 30, 2022 7:17:06 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on Apr 30, 2022 7:17:06 GMT -8
Thanks for the background on the weaponry and your thinking on how this will go now. I couldn't have predicted any of this so my battlefield opinion is near worthless.
But I do suppose that the ambitions of this evil Russian aggression upon a peaceful European country have been reconfigured. It doesn't look as if they can ever take Ukraine's capital without nukes. My guess is that Putin will try to save face by slicing off a piece of eastern or southern Ukraine, weaponizing it and digging in to the point of being able to hold it for at least a few years. But I would expect that Ukraine at this point will not accept this further intrusion into their territory by the Russians and they will resist for as long as it takes to boot them out.
Putin may be dying of cancer. He could be assassinated. But clearly he is doubling-down "woke"-style on anyone domestically who would criticize him. In effect, whatever freedoms Russians had before the invasion, Putin is quickly turning Russia into the kind of propaganda-filled totalitarian state that Orwell wrote about in 1984.
I think it's now self-evident that resistance against this guy is necessary and justified, and not just by Ukrainians. Putin is all of our problem. He has made it so. Like Hitler, agreements with him are worthless. Like Hitler, he is guided by deep grievance and doesn't care what ruin he brings to his country in order to please his own twisted and violent psyche.
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May 10, 2022 18:00:19 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 10, 2022 18:00:19 GMT -8
Things are about to get worse. The Ukraine cuts off gas to EuropeI believe this must be an attempt to squeeze some of the Western European countries and force them to get on board with more sanctions against Russia. I think countries like Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania would be hit the hardest by this.
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May 11, 2022 7:50:14 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 11, 2022 7:50:14 GMT -8
I don't know what the Ukrainians are doing. But I agree with what one commenter said:
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Post by artraveler on May 11, 2022 8:52:58 GMT -8
A good explanation of why the Russians are failing in Ukraine. mwi.usma.edu/putins-bad-math-the-root-of-russian-miscalculation-in-ukraine/Vladimir Putin is not Hitler or Napoleon, but there are striking similarities between the flawed theory of victory that undergirded his foray into Ukraine and their doomed invasions of Russia. Putin was convinced that the whole structure of the Ukrainian state would come crashing down under the weight of the Russian attack. He seized on a theory of victory that obviated the need to comprehensively defeat the Ukrainian army in the field. He expected his forces to crash across the border in strength and swiftly collapse the unpopular government in Kyiv, enabling a resurgent Russia to decisively disarm, dismember, and dominate its wayward western neighbor.
The Russian army is struggling to win this war because it did not plan to fight a general war against a determined and resilient enemy. It did not mobilize the mass and firepower necessary to overwhelm the Ukrainian forces in the opening phase of the war.
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May 11, 2022 9:14:27 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 11, 2022 9:14:27 GMT -8
Interesting article and analysis. I think there are plenty of parallels between Hitler and Putin, including the megalomania.
But it's scary to think that Hitler wasn't always wrong (militarily speaking). He overran most of Europe. But at some point, his means could not keep up with his megalomania.
And from what I understand, those in Russia don't particularly like Putin. It's not hard to believe that the soldiers at every level put in a half-hearted effort.
Maybe so. That article ends with a good quote from Churchill.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 11, 2022 9:26:16 GMT -8
The problem with that theory is that the world of energy producers is replete with mangy, and sometimes rabid, dogs. Oil producing countries Gas producing countries The US-Saudi relationship is a good example of the unfortunate need to associate with such creatures. There are many more examples across the world. What has really hurt Europe is the insane green policies which their governments have been pushing. The idiots in Germany closed down three, I believe, nuclear facilities recently. Huh?
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Post by Brad Nelson on May 11, 2022 9:31:45 GMT -8
Think of the just abject evil and stupidity of Biden and the liberals, basically throwing away the energy independence that Trump, in large part, fashioned.
It is at this point we are justified in saying "people are stupid." I've seen this since Jimmy Carter. People vote for these Democrat ding-dong scolds and then are surprised when the economy suffers. Over and over, the cycle continues. This fully justifies the saying the "people are stupid." There is no other way to parse this.
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May 11, 2022 19:29:13 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 11, 2022 19:29:13 GMT -8
I hate to stick out like a fart in church, but I have yet to see definite evidence that this is the case. I do not have access to the Russian order of battle or battle plan or the, no doubt, numerous contingency plans developed by their general staff, so I can't say one way or the other what they expected. But if one paid any attention to the situation, prior to and just after the invasion, the broad strokes of what was happening were clear. If you will go back to late January/early February you will note I said that Russia does not need or want all of the Ukraine. I also said that Putin's focus would be on the Donbass region and the coast. It was clear that Russia wanted to have a land-bridge from the Donbass to the Crimea, but I wasn't sure if Russia would go farther than that. Now, I am inclined to believe Russia might go to Odessa. Somewhere I believe I mentioned that Russian might take something like the Eastern third of the country. My thought being the Dnieper as the absolute western-most boundary. But I thought the area around Kharkiv as a more likely boundary. Frankly, I give the analysis of American intelligence be it CIA, DIA, NSA or military very little credence. I give the actions of our political class even less. These fucking geniuses have done little but fail since the Vietnam War, and particularly since 2000. Reagan was a brief bright spot, but even he had the luck of having a series of walking corpses, and then Gorbachev, as opponents. It might be argued that there was some success in the First Gulf War, but they walked away from that leaving it undecided and festering, in effect a bust. In their failures, they killed thousands and wounded tens-of-thousands of American military personnel, killed hundreds of thousands of foreigners, (mainly civilians) bankrupted our country (trillions of $$ were spent in Afghanistan and II Iraq) yet somehow they still manage to keep control of things and enrich themselves and their friends. Worse than the above-mentioned geniuses are those in the Mainstream News Media. That anyone in America still believes the lies, misrepresentations, fabrications and idiocy of these people stuns me. They make this guy look honest and straightforward. Since late February/early March I have often heard from that crowd that "Putin has only another week or two and if Russia doesn't beat the Ukraine NOW it will fall apart," or something to that effect. Russia would run out of missiles, artillery shells, whatever by March 5th, April 5th etc., etc. Well, it is May 11th and the missiles are still flying, the shells are still being fired and Russia has not folded. Putin has not been overthrown, he looks pretty healthy (watch some video of him at the May 9th celebrations) and things are not going well in the Ukraine. Even the Western media is beginning to take note of the fact. The assholes at the top of our Executive Branch thought they were going to crush Russia, in days, by sanctioning their Central Bank, forbidding most Russian banks from handling handle dollars, Euros, Yen and other currencies, and forcing foreign companies out of Russia. They expected the Rubble to crash, the rest of the world to stop dealing with Russia and Putin to be deposed. How has that worked out? The Rubble is stronger, Russia is selling more gas and oil, about 2/3rd of the world has not sanctioned Russia, oil and gas prices have further risen and there are increasing shortages of fertilizer, food and important non-ferrous metals. There is a very strong case that all of these sanctions have hurt the West more than Russia. In my opinion, Europe has committed slow suicide, something like taking a slow working poison. I hold out little prospect for the Ukraine defeating Russia, but it may bleed Russia a good while longer. I would not be surprised if, in the end, Russia cut off most of the eastern third and the complete coast of the country, while Hungary, Romania and especially Poland reclaimed areas which they lost due to WWII. This would leave the Ukraine a land-locked, agricultural country with little industry. It would become Europe's problem, yearly costing billions of Euros in perpetuity. I don't need a crystal ball to know that the longer this goes on, the more chance there is that the war expands. I do not want that.
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May 11, 2022 20:45:33 GMT -8
Post by artraveler on May 11, 2022 20:45:33 GMT -8
I hold out little prospect for the Ukraine defeating Russia, but it may bleed Russia a good while longer. I would not be surprised if, in the end, Russia cut off most of the eastern third and the complete coast of the country, while Hungary, Romania and especially Poland reclaimed areas which they lost due to WWII. This would leave the Ukraine a land-locked, agricultural country with little industry. It would become Europe's problem, yearly costing billions of Euros in perpetuity.
My gut feeling is much the same. However, Putin obviously overextended himself trying to take Kiev in the first weeks of the war. I agree with Clausewitz that knowing actually how a war must be fought is the key to winning that war and Putin clearly had either bad advise or made bad decisions. Some of that goes back to his Soviet upbringing and WW II.
The victorious Soviet army that defeated Germany in the East was over managed with hundreds of generals and millions of men. One of the reasons for this high percentage of general officers was Stalins distrust of the officer corps. Instead of authority going down in the Soviet and Russian army authority always goes up. And responsibility is always sent down. Thus, a commanding officer finds himself supervising actions that in a western army is done by a lower rank. For example; Back in the 70s I was friends with an E-8 at McClellan AFB. My friend a senior NCO held a masters in aircraft engineering and a Ph.D in chemistry. The Air Force had tried to promote him several time and he refused promotion. His reason? He liked to work on planes and he said that if he were an officer he would have to fly a desk.
I don't know how many men like him are in the Ukrainian military, but I am sure there are more than in the Russian military. Will it make a difference? Hard to say, but Russia as Churchill said is a puzzle wrapped inside an enigma.
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May 12, 2022 8:54:53 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 12, 2022 8:54:53 GMT -8
It is being said that Putin went in so softly as he had hoped to have very little resistance. He based this on intel from the FSB which had been working to soften things up by paying off a number of Ukrainian generals/leaders to sit on their hands when the invasion started. They didn't.
Putin may have hoped to take Kiev, but I doubt it. There were only 30-40,000 Russian troops facing Kiev and one doesn't take a city of 3 million with such a small number of soldiers. The troops were likely a feint to keep Ukrainian troops in place around Kiev so that these could not transfer to the Donbass area which is the real Schwerpunkt of the operation. Rumors have been swirling around that Putin fired a number of officers in the 5th(?) directorate of the FSB.
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May 12, 2022 8:55:24 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 12, 2022 8:55:24 GMT -8
The first thing to figure out is that Putin is a thoroughly rotten person.
One fellow at FoxNews writes:
A guy who escaped the Russians writes:
I think it's important not to believe one word of the "If only we'd treated Russia better, they wouldn't be such monsters." But they are monsters. The world grows tired of such monsters roaming the land. Eternal shame should visit countries such as India who apologize for this monster.
Putin's delusions need not be our own. This guy is a tyrant and despot. And like any good left-winger, he blames everybody else for his own faults. His scapegoat at the moment isn't Jews. It's NATO. And for a guy who is opposed to this organization that is centered around protecting itself from tyrants, he's doing a good job of causing other countries to run to NATO, including Sweden and Finland.
So the tyrant with butt-hurt feelings now says they will put nukes on the border with Finland. We can blame ourselves all we want. But this monster has rejected the entire idea of modern civilization wherein we all interact to each other's benefit.
This was always Putin's end game to make war on the West via proxy. Well, this monster has bit off more than he can currently chew. No one knows when and if he will flip out even more than he has. It's probably beyond the Russian people to make any difference. They are (as many in the West are, or were) bombarded by propaganda: The Ukrainians are Nazis. NATO is making war on us. A deranged tyrant is never out of excuses.
Who knows how this will end? I suspect there will be no real ending. Russia has exposed itself as a degenerate country, incapable of joining the modern world. They may change leaders at some point, but it's hard to imagine you can regenerate the cold, crazy, drunken heart of Russians. Still, you never know.
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May 12, 2022 8:59:27 GMT -8
Post by kungfuzu on May 12, 2022 8:59:27 GMT -8
Everyone should have known this a long time ago. As far as I can tell, nice people have never led Russia, or most any other nation for that matter. But Russia is something special.
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May 12, 2022 9:01:04 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 12, 2022 9:01:04 GMT -8
At least Yeltsin was harmlessly tipsy most of the time. So I've heard.
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Post by kungfuzu on May 12, 2022 9:09:21 GMT -8
I have a friend who had contacts up to Yeltsin's family in the 1990s. He told me then that Yeltsin was drunk most of the time. Yet Yeltsin's family (daughter) could steal everything not nailed down and the oligarchs killed each other (and bystanders) for control of the wealth of the country. I am including Ukrainians in this as Ukrainians were numbered among the original "oligarchs" who sprouted during Yeltsin's time. What's the saying about a "vacuum?" No Yeltsin was not a harmless guy, just an incompetent corrupt drunk who watched the place start to spin dangerously out of control. As I said before, "Nice guys do not rule countries."
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May 12, 2022 10:20:14 GMT -8
Post by Brad Nelson on May 12, 2022 10:20:14 GMT -8
Another American Conservative idiot: Oh, I'm so sorry you feel threatened, Mr. Soviet Communist Despot, because some of the nations you were oppressing are now free. Jesus H. Christ. This guy is a fucking idiot. This commenter has more down-votes than up. But he slices and dices what can only be called the Rod Dreher NATO-as-the-problem orthodoxy over at American Conservative: I'm becoming very dubious at these moralizing Christians such at Dreher and his minions. I can think of thousand reasons why any true Christian would come to the aid of the defender rather than the aggressor. But American Conservative keeps cranking out what works well as Putin propaganda. Yeah, it sucks that making commitments with other countries for mutual security against tyrants comes with some responsibilities and possible pitfalls. But that's the way alliances work. No matter how this all washes out, Putin has shown the West unequivocally the very need for NATO.
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