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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 23, 2022 20:00:42 GMT -8
For years, we here have been pointing out that for many people "leftism" is a religion. I believe a large percentage of conservatives have finally caught up with us in this regard and understand the nature of what we are fighting.
However, understanding, on an intellectual level, that leftism is a religion is very different from experiencing this phenomenon on a personal level.
Today we went to our bi-weekly bowling group and ran into the woman I have mentioned in the past, who is a walking commercial for everything the government recommends regarding the KFF. We have had many discussions regarding the KFF, masks, social distancing and the vaccine. From the beginning both Mrs. Kung and I have made clear that we were not about to get the experimental gene therapy called the mRNA vaccine. Of course this woman has been jabbed, jabbed again and boosted.
At first, her spiel was that we needed to get the jab for our health. When we told her that we were not worried about getting the KFF, she changed tack and came at us with the nonsense that "didn't we feel responsible about the possibility of spreading the KFF since we were not vaccinated?" That also did not move us. This conversation has been repeated for months, even after all the Kungs had contracted and been cured of the KFF. After our brush with the KFF, we pointed out that studies showed that those who have been infected and cured had a higher resistance to getting the KFF again, than those who had been vaccinated. Of course she disagreed.
Some time earlier this year I repeated that I had no interest in getting jabbed, but if I ever again had to travel internationally, I would probably have to get the shot. I then said that the only jab I would consider was the product from Novavax, which was not based on any type of gene therapy, rather was a more traditional vaccine. It had not been approved by the FDA when we had this discussion.
Well, the FDA gave approval for Novavax last Tuesday. And the first thing this woman said, when we say her today was that Novavax was now available and didn't we want to get a needle stuck in our arms. Mrs. Kung, once again, said nope and after a few minutes back and forth, the subject was dropped.
For some reason, this woman's performance today hit me like a hammer. She was never going to give up. She was righteous in her belief that the "vaccine" solved everything and that if someone wasn't worried enough to get it for his own health, he should get it for the greater good. Follow all government dictates.
When the woman walked away I had to point out to Mrs. Kung the proselytizing nature of the woman. She was a true believer and would not lose any chance to convert others. Leftism was her religion.
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Post by artraveler on Jul 23, 2022 20:35:09 GMT -8
Leftism is more than a religion. The true believer leftist is the most unhappy, and despondent person you will meet, a picture of narcissistic pessimism. They are consumed with their own ideas to the extent of blocking out all contradicting ideas. Actual evidence is ignored, for the good of the party, and the party line, no matter how it changes, is the only line they will consider. The Mullahs in Iran only wish their followers were so committed.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 28, 2022 15:14:18 GMT -8
I don't disagree. Which means the same thing as "I agree." I think.
The pseudo-pope Francis apparently just axed the Latin Mass. Expect most Catholics to defend this.
But in the article I read, an American cardinal kinda-sorta defended the Latin Mass. Individual parishes are apparently free to ignore the diktats from the Marxist Pope and do their own thing on this. And it was said that this cardinal might reinstate it.
But what struck me was that the Cardinal said that most people come to the (his local?) church for meaning, not for the politics. I think the Marxist Pope and others have made them one and the same, intertwined and inescapable. But I assume this cardinal is much closer to the pulse of the congregants than I am.
But I would grant this cardinal that that Catholic religion/service:
A) Is not geared to make people angry.
B) Is not geared to draw divisions along race, class, and sex.
C) Is generally for peace, not cranky, caustic activism.
I wouldn't say the same thing for either Islam or Leftism. These two religions survive by winding people up and keeping them angry, aggrieved, and off-balance.
There is power in being the squeaky wheel. Obviously. And the right (or just the whole conglomeration of non-crazies) have not figured out a way to neutralize them or beat them. RINOs tried caving. That didn't work. Trump and some others are paving a new way, although Trump tends to leave so many dead and mangled bodies in his wake, the net effect is often not positive.
But anyone in politics on the right (generally speaking) needs to understand that there are hordes of Leftist Religious Fundamentalists out there. There is more than just a simple disagreement going on here. It took Dennis Prager a while to figure this out. But he did. The rest need to follow. You're not going to be able to talk a Leftist away from his ideology any more than you could talk an Islamic terrorist out of throwing his bomb at a bus full of Israeli school children.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 29, 2022 8:08:34 GMT -8
The Left Wants To Abolish Everything, Even This ColumnStephen Moore has been reading us. One point of contention, and it is not a mere quibble: Leftism was never about live-and-let-live. This naive view is one reason it slipped in under the radar and people (perhaps even Mr. Moore) assisted it by assuming it was a "live and let live" ideology. But otherwise, yeah. What he said.
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 29, 2022 8:35:17 GMT -8
Thank you. That silly statement jumped out and slapped me on the face when I read it. Can these people be so stupid, naive', whatever their screwy state of mind should be called?
Again, one of the big problems with today's elites is that they are good at book learning, but seem to have no capacity for discerning life, facts, reality through experience. If it is on a page in black and white, it must be true. These people are who my father had in mind when he said, "Don't believe anything you read, and half of what you see." Teaching children not to be gullible is an important task, but people like Moore clearly didn't get the lesson. Strange how differently intellectuals see the world.
I have never thought much of Stephen Moore. To me he is a one-trick pony as regards his economic views. His type is largely responsible for the de-industrialization of America.
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Post by artraveler on Jul 29, 2022 8:46:15 GMT -8
Leftism was never about live-and-let-live I think there were short periods of time the late 50s and early 60s when the run of the mill leftist actually believed a live-and-let-live philosophy. However, those seeking power co-oped the entire movement and the sad result is marking in the streets today. People like Frank Marshall Davis (Obama's mentor) and the rest of the ultra-radicals turned the left to increased violence and social disruption. That is not to say many weren't communists but aside from McCarthy even the leftists thought they were out of step with history. It was easy to turn the idealistic youth of the 50s and 60s. For the most part they were/are the children of privilege. It takes a lot of money to be hip/cool and only middle class had the cash. They depended on cash from mom and dad or trust funds to support their chosen life-style and when the cash ran out, parents cut them off they got jobs. Most of them are now in their late 60s and 70s and all they recall is getting high and getting laid. They have forgotten the squalid walk-ups ODs on the street and diseases Americans thought beaten decades earlier. Now the children and grandchildren are trying to destroy our system that has made them the most privileged and wealthy people ever to walk the earth, and for sentimental reasons they have chosen to destroy the goose laying the golden egg. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 29, 2022 8:59:39 GMT -8
I just came across a wonderful statement that sums up the state of our education system, which in turn has led to the sorry state our country. We are being led by "educated idiots."
The United States institutionalized illiteracy and ignorance and called it "education".
I couldn't agree more. This rot goes back at least 50 years.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 29, 2022 9:07:01 GMT -8
Artler, I think we inevitably run into the two-tier phenomenon that has been discussed here before. There is the propaganda for the useful-idiots to believe. And then there is the reality that these guys at the top actually really do love Stalin. Or Lenin. This statue is in the Fremont neighborhood of Seattle:  And that's not to say that some micro-communities here and there ran with some ideas of their own that weren't technically horrible. But I would still insist that the basic assumption underlies most of this stuff. And that is that America (and the West) is a horrible place. All its institutions and morals are in place to ensure the entrenchment and power of white males. This sense of grievance based on lies gives license to idealistic (and just blame dumb) yutes to go off half-cocked on whatever side issue they embrace. But underlying it all is the Marxist underbelly. I have an idiot niece that resembles that. Not that she comes from a rich family. But these shallow people have put themselves into the role that Kipling was criticized for with his "The White Man's Burden." They see themselves as the white savior: It's actually funny (perhaps tragic) that all these "people of color" aren't offended by these shallow, down-talking liberals. I would be. That most are not speaks to their motivation and their character. Privileged children. I am very sure that a central aspect (or attraction) of Leftism is that it basically is the ideology of Terrible-Twos children. Instead of growing up, it mythologizes and attempts to make noble the vagaries and habits of spoiled brats. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Jul 29, 2022 9:37:04 GMT -8
Or more to the point, power. This phenomenon (the religious belief that mankind can be perfected) has been with the West since, latest, the French Revolution. Yesterday, I read a piece which memorialized(?) the day (July 27th) the Terror ended in the French Revolution. On that day Saint-Just and his friend/mentor Robespierre fell. What type of people were these two? Horrible! Here is a quote from Saint-Just, who I have long considered worse that Robespierre. I wish I could recall where I read the piece, but the author's premise was that Saint-Just and Robespierre were not crazy fanatics until the were corrupted by power. While it is known that power corrupts, our Founding Fathers were well aware of this and tried to distribute power across many institutions, I believe that there was already something rotten in Saint-Just and Robespierre long before they became tyrants. At the heart of this evil was their conviction that only they were right and anyone who disagreed with them were wrong and had to be neutralized. Just like our leftists today. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Jul 29, 2022 11:02:41 GMT -8
I can't argue with that.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 8, 2022 11:11:54 GMT -8
This is a long read, but worth it: The business of voluntourism: do western do-gooders actually do harm?And… It gets better: And better… But, gosh darn, don't all those people feel so special. And do-gooderism is expensive and wasteful: I wonder if Dennis Prager has seen this. This is just up his alley about the two things that Jews learn that they must control. One is their propensity to do evil. The other is their propensity to do "good." And this next bit is darkly funny: Are you sitting down? What the fuck? Huh. What is this person saying? Put the best interest of children (or anyone) over their emotional needs? Parish the thought. I struggled with where to post this. It would have fit in a variety of places including David Frenchism. |
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 8, 2022 11:41:34 GMT -8
I had this discussion about twenty-five years ago, with a Singaporean friend who is a Buddhist. His Buddhist group/temple/church was putting together a trip for Singaporeans to fly from Singapore to Burma with rice for charity. The participants were going to Burma to personally distribute the rice to poor people.
My friend argued with these people that buying rice in Singapore and then flying it and themselves to Burma was wasteful. He suggested the money saved on airfreight and flights could be better used to buy more rice locally in Burma, where rice was also cheaper than in Singapore. He caught a lot of flack for this. I don't recall if he told his co-religionists, but he was of the opinion that the people flying to Burma were going through the motions to show to themselves, and others, how righteous they were. Many of these Buddhists made similar excuses as those in the article you posted. Never forget that most everything human beings do is for (perceived) personal benefit. Real sacrifice is not common.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 8, 2022 14:11:06 GMT -8
I wouldn't classify that not so much as an opinion as an observation. No surprise that Buddhists are as dumb as Christians in this regard.
"First do no harm." Never crosses the mind of do-gooders because this is really all about them. As I've long noted, the idea of good has been corrupted by the Left. And there are plenty of "conservative" Christians who have been useful idiots in this cause.
I had first-hand encounters with my idiot niece. This is all about them. That their views on "the homeless" actually makes their lives worse doesn't matter to them. It's about ticking off the "What a wonderful, caring person I am" check box.
I was just knocked over sideways to read an article that detailed this phenomenon and spoke honestly about it. It sounds as if some of the shithole countries are figuring this out and becoming unhooked on the money of White Saviors. Who would have figured that they were smarter in Rwanda then they are in Boston?
I was surprised to find that 90% of more of the children in some of the institutions they looked at for "orphaned" children actually had living parents. This is basically the Liberal Welfare State going international. It's not enough that they ruin lives at home with their do-gooderism. They must take it abroad as well.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 28, 2022 10:30:43 GMT -8
This piece combines just about every facet of leftism. It should be passed around as a learning tool. 1) It is a religion, 2) it is hysterical, 3) women are over represented and leading it, 4) it does not tolerate other beliefs and is aggressive against those who express them, 5) it is hypocritical, 6) it is promoted by the MSM which purports to be objective, but is in fact hugely slanted. PETA in NYC The guy eating the kabob was great. |
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 28, 2022 14:36:20 GMT -8
They care so much for animals that they have no problem being cruel to human beings. How many of these "vegans" are pro-abortion?
I have no problem with promoting animal welfare (not "rights"). I have no problem with people promoting vegetarianism. But what we're seeing is human psychology playing out. This isn't about the animals. It's about them.
I believe that deep-down (or even not so deep) these protests are like a bird with one wing flapping around. It's as if they're saying "Help me. Help me. Bring some meaning to my life. Make me whole. Ease my pain."
But it all gets directed (misdirected) in a dynamic about animals.
There is every reason to be pissed off if someone is abusing an animal. There's a good scene in the Reacher series where Reacher punches a guy who has been abusing a dog, despite his many warnings. Good. That's justice. Animals shouldn't be abused and when they are, we should take action.
But this is all needy emotional-turmoil stuff we see playing out. It's about them, not the animals.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 28, 2022 20:04:20 GMT -8
For these types, humans are surplus to requirements.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 29, 2022 7:29:32 GMT -8
One of my nieces was a vegetarian. I got the feeling she got programmed into it like a cult. She wasn't militant about it. In fact, she didn't mind joking about it.
I remember going to dinner one time in high school at someone's house. It was kind of a German Club meeting. The teacher may even have been there. Anyway, one of the first courses was a soup. It was good. And my friend, Bev, liked it too.
And then she asked if there was any meat in it. Why, yes, the chef said. There is bacon in it. My friend then proceeded with the vegetarian equivalent of a Conniption Fit. That was my first real introduction to vegetarianism.
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Post by kungfuzu on Aug 29, 2022 10:42:01 GMT -8
I guess the lack of protein caused her brain to function at a lower level, thus her neglect to ask about meat before tasting the soup. Or maybe she just wanted to have virtue-signaling fits in front her classmates.
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Post by Brad Nelson on Aug 29, 2022 11:16:44 GMT -8
I took her reaction as real (if unexpected and a bit overwrought and bizarre). If I had a nice kebab or something and liked it, and later learned that it was dog meat, I'd probably laugh at that. But I'd have to admit it was good even if I was against eating Man's Best Friend as a matter of principle. I would know that I didn't kill the dog. But to make a big show of being disgusted just seems silly and dishonest. And, well...hysterical.
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Post by kungfuzu on Sept 14, 2022 12:53:20 GMT -8
An interesting piece on Darren Beattie and his view on who is pushing Wokeness, Wokeness vs. Conservatism and how Conservativism is failing. I see he agrees with me that we must become more assertive and fight back. We must also choose sides and be clear about which side we are on. Globalist American Empire is fount of Wokeness |
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